This forum was started for people to view me and Stider Hiryu discussion on Gundam but i thought that the other members should have the pleasure of seeing to Expert Gundam researchers other people can put their opions in also

put in our opions about what? u didnt post anything, oh yea, dont double post

Yes plz refrain from double posting. That is why there is an edit button on posts. Also I do not know where to begin. I suppose we can take off from the last little bit of a convo we had in the Gundam SEED topic. Lets start off with the characters for one. I would like to hear your reasons as to why Kira is a bad pilot and why the three pilots you picked are so great. Remember lets keep this civil and prove your points.

i still have to see gundam seed, is cn going to replay it?

CN shows it on Friday night as far as I know (frankly it was on or is gonna be on sometime here). As for where there at I have no idea. I stopped watching SEED about three weeks before they took it off Toonami.

i missed the second ep then stoped watching it, dont want to watch them out of order

The only things I liked about wing were the mech designs and the pilots themselves. The mechs were to overpowered.

Ah finally someone agrees with me here. *gives BlitzZ a cookie* The mech designs were all right but I much prefer the UC Gundam designs, they weren't built to be pretty like the GW ones.

Gundam X had some great gundams. I liked Airmaster Burst.

Ah yes. Gundam X's Gundams were superb. I was more for the Gundam Double X myself. That suit looked awesome when its Satellite Cannon was deployed. I will agree though that the Airmaster Burst was one slick looking machine.

I like leopard the most myself, but thats because it was the first gundam model I built ^_^'

*redownloads all of Gundam X* ^^
Edit: Leopard D rules also

The only things I liked about wing were the mech designs and the pilots themselves. The mechs were to overpowered.

yea they were way to over powered, in one zero with 1 blast could take out like 50 suits, thats way to powerful

The only problem with Kira is that he needs to face it that he's part of the war and that he has to fight not needs to but has to fight. Kira has potential to be one of the greats only if he applies himself i've recently seen a seed episode when he shocked me and my friends by going beserk and when he does he's dangerous.

Now on to Heero he was raised to be the perfect soldier and he has a lack of emotion is very dangerous h if it means destoying himself to destroy his opponant he will and he was one of the two who mastered the Zero system the only thing or person who is somewhat safe from Heero is relina and he can take any mobile suit and fight against a gundam and possibly win against certain pilots

Treize the main reason i put Treize as one of the best is because of his twin personalities the noble and the warrior both work quite well with each other the noble is well manered and has honor while the warrior is chivalrous and is ready to sacrifice hi lie to protect the well bieng of others thats why he is the leader of Oz and his skills in mobile suits are quite amazing even though he does not flaunt them thats why wufei underestimated him and would have been killed if Treize did not sacrifice himself.

Zechs the Lightning count i'll say more later i G2g

Ah yes the Leopard. I forgot about that suit. The Leopard D is quite awesome. Its like the Heavyarms but much better. Very much a walking weapons platform.

As for your post K, I'll comment on it after you place your reasoning behind Zechs.

I think that Kira is turning out to be a shinji wannabe..

yes Milliardo Peacecraft aka Zechs he is a better pilot than Heero in many aspects such as reasoning tactics. I'll start by saying he is the deapest and one of the least appreciated pilot in gundam wing. He is the definition of Honor like the time he rebuild heero's wing Gundam so they could continue their battle without heero having to use a regular mobile suit. he has a dual personality one is Milliardo and the other Zechs the main reason he became zechs was his belief that he is weak so he made another name to prove to himself that he can be strong thats a summary of Zechs personality no to his Skill and power.

Zechs is a damn good pilot. I'm not exaggerating either. He graduated at the top of his class along with Noin at the age of 13. In fact, both recieved the two highest scores in the history of Lake Victoria Academy. Zechs was taken under the wing of Treize, who at the time was a trainer at the Academy, and was later promoted the the rank of Lieutenant. Noin became a teacher at the Academy.

Flash forward a five/six years to the first episode of Gundam W. On his ship, Zechs detects something "suspicous" entering the earth's atmosphere and sends three Leo suits out to investigate. Confirming that it was a Gundam, he decides to test his skill against the unknown pilot, and goes out. His men practically beg him to take one of the more high-tech Aries suits, but he chooses a Leo and goes out to fight. The Lightning Baron suceeds in outsmarting Heero, sending both of their suits to the bottom of the ocean, and the victory is his. Let me put that in layman's terms: He beat a Gundam with a LEO suit.

The Mobile Suit Tallgeese I was not made with the pilot's safety in mind. It takes Zechs a while before he's able to bring himself to use it's full powers, not only because he's afraid to die (he admits this), but because he realizes the suit is for more suicidal missions. Later on, he is able to use the Tallgeese at it's maximum power- a feat never reached by previous test pilots.

And let's just face it, he can hold his own against the legendary Gundam pilots who have also been trained in the art of war. How many can brag about that?

What is that gold glow that glows in their eyes and on them when they're fighting?
I think the gold is to show that they are under the influence of the Zero system, but doesn't serve a purpose beyond that. When they get that gold glint in their eyes, it's to show that the ZERO system has total control of their mind and actions.

Zechs is my favorite pilot

I like Treize. In fact, I like him almost as much as I like Zechs, if not because he's cunning and brilliant, but because he likes rose scented bubble baths.
Throughout the series Treize has been forming his own world behind everyone's backs. He overthrows the Alliance through Romefeller, and Romefeller through OZ. He's a man of integrity- just like Zechs Merquise. The two have a long history of comradeship, and both believed in Treize's idea of "finding yourself through battle." The two have high expectations when it comes to humanity and its civility. Treize assasinates world leaders, takes over bases, builds mobile suits... just to make sure the world would turn out the way he envisions it. Sound familiar? Zechs proves to be just like Treize when he does the same thing as Commander of White Fang. It always comes down to them doing anything for the idea of peaceBut let's step back a bit to when Zechs and Treize betray the loyalty they had for each other. Zechs goes behind Treize's back to rebuild Heero's Gundam, and Treize sends out forces to "kill" him. Although, this could be interpreted as Treize doing Zechs a favor so that he may emerge as Milliardo Peacecraft, it is a point in the show where their ideals have diverged, and they go their separate ways. Milliardo flies off to outerspace, while Treize is placed under house arrest, and has time to contemplate his life and everything he's lost (power, fame, the love of the people). The birds that he always seems to have almost symbolize his hope for freedom, even if it means his death. I guess you could say that Treize wants everything to be symbolic- even his death. Who knows? Maybe the real reason he doesn't move when Zechs fires the Libra cannon at him (*waves her Zechs Pom poms*) is because he wants to Earth to feel the cold, harsh reality of war... or maybe drop to their knees and mourn the loss of their great leader. Lady Une recognizes his final desperate act to become this martyr, and saves him, forcing him to finish what he's started. If anything, he seems almost suicidal, especially the way he offers his life to Heero, Zechs, and then finally dies at the hands of Wufei. It makes him out to be someone of not only passion and intellect, but more importantly, a person who truly believes in the will of the people.
Like I said before, Zechs and Treize turn out to be the same in the end. They both have come to the conclusion that one final battle is needed, and when it's done, the world and Colonies will have realized their mistakes. But Treize isn't sure if Zechs' motives are in fact the same as his, and he needs to find out before doing anything drastic. By challenging Milliardo to a duel... I'm at loss for better words, he "tests" to see if their ideals are the same. That's why when Milliardo declines the offer of chivalry, Treizes responds saying it was "the right decision." They both knew that the battle between the two would have too much meaning and importance, and that if either of them won, both sides would continue fighting anyway. This is so important to the series, that the creators named the episode after it. Milliardo tells him that there was no need for chivalry in space, proving to Treize that this was indeed a new man, and they both had envisioned the same outcome of the battle.
Treize dies in what I like to call, "assisted suicide." He lunges forward to attack Wufei, but without any weapons in position. Wufei's battle insticts cause him to swing his weapon up in defense, but as Treize has no weapon, it goes right through his suit. Treize tells Wufei that he was honored to have fought with such people as the Gundam pilots (as they were always true to their ideals). With the death of Treize, Lady Une is forced to surrender, because it appears they have lost their true symbol of hope. In the end, Treize got to be the symbol that he had so desperately yearned to be. To me, Treize is like Heero in the sense that they both see their lives as having little purpose, but others hold them in such high reguard and draw strength from them. However, that's where the similarities end. Treize chooses to sacrifice his life for peace, and Heero chooses to live for it. Meanwhile, Milliardo is able to accept his friend's death because it obviously meant that Treize had enough faith in Milliardo to finish the task for him. On a side note, I'm not trying to dissuade people from believing that they weren't out to kill one another. One of them had to die to end the war, and Treize seemed to want it so badly that he was the only logical choice.

So the next time Treize and Milliardo are tagged with the "ENEMY" sign, try to remember their purpose and dedication to the peace they worked and sacrificed so much for.

whoa. :shock:


:w00t: Such a lovely dedicated GW fan! Yay! The more the better!

http://www.angelfire.com/anime2/zeonbase/Wingsux.html
Just some reasons. In UC atleast the mechs need skill to survive,not just the invincible gundams.
Zeon has some great pilots:
The Blacktristars
Johnny Riddick
Char (who they ripped off to great zechs)
Ghost of Solomon
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AC and Cosmic Era's suits are too overpowered and dont require any skill to stay alive.

All AU gundams are overpowered :\

What aqu and BlitzZ said. Thats where most of the "skill" most people talk about comes from for these AU pilots (I will exclude Gundam X from this though, yes the suits are overpowered but it was a great show. Nuff said). They don't have to have skills to survive, their "Godly" suits do it for them. In all actuality I wonder how any of the AU pilots would do if put into a UC Gundam and actually made to fight in a battle using their survival skills. Most would most likely be overwhelmed and either die trying to fight or die trying to escape. As for that link BlitzZ, I found the majority of that to be so true and actually had a good laugh on the Gouf Flight Type comment because its so true.

As for your post Kuwabara, as I've said before to me its all nothing but GW fanism showing. Sure you bring up some very interesting and thought provoking points but sadly you forgot to rule out that these pilots are using suits that are cosidered "Godly" and "Invincible". Don't give me the crock of shit that the Tallgeese is not exactly like a Gundam because it is, it just doesn't have the armor strength that a Gundam does. To make up for the lack of armor strength the Tallgeese was made into a walking death trap due to its insanely high speed. Sadly this just shows that if put into a life or death situation in something other then a Gundam they don't have the same skills as UC pilots to survive. I mean come on, unlike the GW pilots, almost all UC pilots started out piloting a GM or a Zaku (a severly underpowered suit compared to the Gundams) so all of them know what it means to fight for their survival. Take Char, hes been piloting a Zaku II for god knows how long. He fought the Gundam in it more then once. You see though Amuro wasn't the pilot that he had potential to be yet he still gave Char a hard time to the point that he needed to use those well honed survival skills to fight him.

I'm sorry but I see a lack of those skills in any of the GW pilots. They've all been trained to fight in invincible suits that can't be destroyed unless pitted up against another suit of its quality. Oh yes and don't bring up this crock of shit that all UC Gundams are Ancient compared to the GW Gundams because its not true. In fact many of the UC suits are more advanced then the GW suits are (take the Victory Gundam or the F91, I have yet to see either series but I've reasearched both suits). You see the UC Gundams were made to be a hell of a lot more realistic then the GW Gundams, hence why the majority of the Gundam fans you find are UC fans. Also if you read that little stuff from the link BlitzZ provided a majority of the Non-Gundam mobiles suits are more advanced then the GW ones. I mean a Zaku I (rest its soul) is a far superior suit to the Leos and Aries suits you find in GW.

I just noticed I rambled on too much. Plz do post your thought Kuwabara on what I just posted (do notice we're now moving to suits and away from pilots).

This is from that gundam wing hate website
my answers are in blue

<LI>There doesn't seem to be a war going on. Few or no civilian casualties whereas in MS Gundam, Zeon and Federal battles cause the deaths of civilians by the dozen. ( because they are trying to avoid casualties both sides)

<LI>The final battle is more like man against machine than man against man. What's the point? At least in the UC, in combat enemies on both sides know how to die heroically. ( they had no need for people to die since they created mobile dolls)

<LI>OZ troops don't seem to know how to dodge! ( thats true.)

<LI>Virtually all the main characters live, except Trieze, and that was technically suicide(you don't really think Wufei could've beaten Trieze in a real fight do you?) ( also true.)

<LI>Why are all the main characters all so...pretty? It's like all the ugly people are either dead or evil, and all the heroes are total studs or babes! (they were all pretty)

OZ MS stay the same through the whole series: Leos and later Virgos and Taurus. Zeon MS get stronger as the series goes on: Zaku II to Gouf to Dom to Gelgoog(which is just as strong as the Gundam.) ( they become mobile dolls)


<LI>The RX-78-2 Gundam gets destroyed in an all-out to the death duel. The Wing Zero slices off Epyon's arm, blows up Libra and flies off with no more than a messed up paintjob. ( Zero is superior and Heero learns to fight with sense and not death)

Is the Lightning Count the only decent pilot OZ has? Zeon had the Red Comet, the Blue Nova, Black Tristars, Nightmare of Solomon, White Wolf of Solomon, Red Lightning, Desert Thunder and the Ghost of Solomon, the Federal Forces had the White Shooting Star, the White Eagle and the Blue Destiny. All OZ had was one decent pilot in a powerhouse MS. (Noin doesn't count since she's mostly on the Wing boys' side, not OZ). ( they had trieze)


<LI>Heero can't kill Relena. He wants to, she wants him to, but he just can't do it. ( he loves her so he cant)

<LI>Everybody says Zaku Is are better than OZ MS. They're wrong - MS-01s are better. That's Zaku Negative-4. ( zaku is better the oz soldiers wanted peace)

<LI>Trowa can't bring enough ammo into battle to save his life. ( he never thinks he's going to have to use it all)

<LI>All Deathscythe Hell has is a scythe and a shield. GM Trainers have more than that. (but they don't have Deathscythe do they, all it needed was a shield)

<LI>The Gundams can go an entire season with one maintenance session, and just carrying around the weapons would wear them out. ( not true they do go into maintenance)

<LI>Either Duo's a whip-crackin' slave driver or Hilde's a subservient, mindless drone. ( he respects his master and duo doesnt notice how he's pushing him)

The Gouf Flight-Types in 08th MS Team hit more targets than OZ soldiers did. Here's a hint: GFTs never fired. ( OZ does hit targets)


<LI>Capital ships. Where are they? I only saw two, and some pathetic 20th century looking destroyers. OZ has no battle fleet, just a bunch of suits and airborne carriers. Zeon had all sorts of heavy capital ships. Supply freighters, Musai class battleships, the Mad Angler, the Gallop, other things that I don't remember their names. The Federation had the Pegasus class, the Magellan class, and the Salamis class. ( they never planned on going to a space war)

<LI>Nukes. The missles in Gundam Wing never were said to be nukes. Zeon is perfectly willing to steal and use nuclear weapons. ( they don't want to destroy the world just bring peace)

Where are the prototypes? The special suits? OZ had 3. No suits for aces. The Feddies had the RX-78-2-NT-1, the GP-01, the GP-02, the GM-Sniper Custom II, the RX-78-2. Zeon had the MS-06S, the MS-07B3 Gouf Custom, the MSM-07S, the MS-14S, and the MSN-02. ( thats all they needed)


Expendable lackeys. Where does OZ get all these pathetic troops? They're worse than stormtroopers. Zeonic and Federal troops at least manage to kill their enemies, and sometimes survive. OZ troops charge the gundams, begging to be killed. ( they get caught by surprise most of the time)


<LI>No new weapons!!!! Wing Zero gets a buster rifle...... That's it. But DETHSCYTHE gets a scythe, but his next weapon has.... TWO BLADES!!!!! OH NOOOOOOOO!!! The only Gundam who's weapon remtely changes is Shenlong's when he upgrades to Altron. Even then it doesn't change much. Aside from this, there's no remotely originally designed weapons!!!!! It's just guns and blades!!! Feddies and the Zeon had the outstanding technology to make... GRENADES!!!!! AAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!! Zeon had stuff like heat rods and heat hawks, not just simple blades. That's why they went back to UC; (they made 08th MS Team right after Wing) because they were being too suppressed by their own limits!! ( Grenades on Gundams wow!! thats all they needed duh)

<LI>It doesn't focus any on people or Mobile Suits, just on speeches and war efforts. ( peace efforts they use the mobile suits to bring peace)

There are 5 Gundams for crying out loud!!! Piloting or seeing a Gundam is supposed to be a great and rare experience!! 5 fucking Gundams is WWWAAAYYY too much at one time, especially for the extremely limited supply of enemy troops there are. ( they wanted to ambush earth)


<LI>The G-Boys are supposed to be this ultra secret covert operations team. Heero got busted on DAY 1 of the job by geting caught by Zechs. Sloppy tradecraft. ( Zechs wasn't supposed to be there)

<LI>The G-Boys were supposed to act separately from one another by secretly taking out bases ALL over the world. A few episodes later they meet each other. Was the ballistics guy drunk when he threw them to Earth or is AC Earth just as big as a small county? ( Zechs and heero messed it up with their fight)

<LI>The scientists THEMSELVES trained the G-Boys for their operation. I guess the colony's military forces must have been so lazy to have actually given this job to the old geezers. (btw, since when did scientific institutions give PhD's in covert warfare?) ( they were too old)

<LI>The people of the colony through all of their suffering under the Feds placed their hope on 5 pre-pubescents to regain their freedom. The idea was to have five 20-foot tall and xx-ton heavy robots to quietly SNEAK around the Earth without being caught and nibble at the Feds strongholds. Is that a plan or what? ( the citizens were not aware and yes)

<LI>Assuming that the plan of the Colonies was to nibble down on Earth's defenses by using the G-Boys to attack strongholds on Earth, what next? They didn't have a fleet, they have no army. What were they planning to do? Scare the Feds into submission with 5 robots? ( with no bases the feds would loose the 5 gundams)

<LI>Some GW fans tried to rationalize this by saying "The colonists were planning a colony drop AFTER the G-Boys weaken Earth defenses". Really? How did they plan to transport one when they didn't even have warships or MS to escort it? Or are they assuming that the Feds are so stupid that they'd just let them do it in a sense of fair play... ( they were not the G-boys could have destroy them alone)

<LI>For all his reputation as "THE perfect soldier", did Heero actually kill anybody except for those disposable faceless extras? ( they were the only one's not able to fend him off)

Deathscythe and Sandrock have no medium or long range weapons aside from vulcans. Fans have defended this by saying "those two MS were meant for close combat and covert operations". Close Combat? Why would anyone in his right mind want a costly close combat situation when you could use a gun to kill? Covert Operations? YEAH RIGHT! I can imagine it now... a 20-foot metallic monster sneaking around a Fed base on its tiptoes while hugging walls to avoid detection... ( they were going to surprise attack them and kill everyone alive there)


<LI>The physics of the world are altered when needbe. Trowa destroys Deathscythe in 1 hit, a fully intact body. When that same beam cannon hits a standing Gundam, No damage. The Hell? ( LOL)

<LI>Apparantly, Leo's Designation, OZ-06, is quite a blatant ripoff of Zaku's Designation, MS-06 ( not true)

<LI>Aries are unrealistic. Their engines aren't large enough, their wings aren't large enough to catch enough air for the power of the Engine. Gouf flight types BARELY were able to stay in the air with small engines, and could only fly for a few minutes, not a few hours. ( they are better than the gouf)

<LI>Tallgeese III's Mega Cannon, Supposedly Weaker than Wing Zero's Buster Rifle Blew up an asteroid in 1 hit. Wing Zero's Rifle could barely scratch mariemeia's shelter. ( it's not weaker)

1 Word: Relena Darlian. End of Story. (she's the key to the story)


<LI>How come OZ never made mighty and powerful weapons like the Neo Zeons and Federation did? (eg. Colony Laser) ( never thought of it)

If the Twin Buster Rifle can blast a colony down... why don't they just destory the OZ Main base?! ( never thought of it)


<LI>Any time one of the Gundam pilots gets into the cockpit on an OZ mobile suit, it can take about 10x the punishment that it normally takes. It sometimes seems that 1 or 2 bullets can off an OZ suit when a bad guy pilots it. Exaples are in the Duo meets Hilde episode and even when Heero battles Wu Fei in the movie. ( they have skill to avoid critical damage)

<LI>OZ very early on needed to realize that those little pea shooter machine guns can't hurt the Gundams. ( no one who shot them ever lived to tell it would not hurt them)

<LI>Why in Episode 17 does DeathScythe and Sandrock have such a hard time getting past the Leos at the shuttle base? The Leos have the aforementioned pea shooter guns. ( they are for close combat and they kept them at a distance)

<LI>"Thank you Sandrock!!" That alone should say something. ( it does not)

<LI>By the time you get to the end of the series, you've heard "Total Pacifism" so many times, you'll want to go to war. ( thats what they wanted)

Everyone is just a little too suicidal. "My only chance is to self detonate" Please, if these guys were as good as they're supposed to be, they would keep on fighting not take some easy way out. Norris from 08th MS team KNEW he would eventually be done in ep 10 but provided bar none one of the best cat and mouse battle sequences in a gundam show, relying on his survival instinct and skill, not just hitting the kill switch and "taking them out with me". Remember what Bright told Hayato in ep 20 of Mobile Suit Gundam? "Rely on ingenuity, you don't know what will happen in a fight!" Those too tough Gundam suits should be able to pull them all through any scrape. ( they were trained to die if need be they don't fear death)


<LI>the very costly gundams of Gundam Wing are the only stealth mobile suits in the series. Which is to say, they are not detected by a radar. Well... ummm. In UC, all mobile suits with Minovsky generators have a tendancy to nullify all radar functionability. So if UC and AC would go to war, every mobile suit in AC would get detected, and every low cost, mass produced UC mobile suit would be "stealth." ( they had power)

In Gundam Wing, the Wing Gundam's beam saber can cut through any mobile suit like a hot knife through butter. But in the episode where Zechs fights Heero in the South Pole, when Zechs is beating the Heavyarms, the beam saber acts more like a baseball bat hitting the Heavyarms, thus not cutting it or making any kind of surface damage. ( its stronger)

come on stryder youre the only smart fan here so you can see that they are " Godly" due to the fact that they were trained in them thus making them pilot them like gods because they know every thing in them

OK, my two cents on Gundam Wing.

The Gundam suits are not invicible. All of them with the exception of Heavyarms gets blown up at least once. The only reason Heavyarms doesn't is b/c Trowa hides it on Earth before going up to space.

The GW pilots do have skill. Each of them and piloted a regular mecha and kicked some butt. Heero and Trowa most notably, but all of them have. Hell, Trowa managed to infiltrate OZ and make a name for himself as an MS pilot with a crappy suit.

Heero is not emotionless. He simply has more control over his emotions. After all, soldiers have to do the same thing. If you're in a battle and you start feeling sad or depressed, you're dead. It's that simple. He's been trained as a soldier, but that doesn't mean all his emotions are gone. He's just buried most of them for the time. Read the manga, and you'll see what I mean.

Treize does not have "twin personalities". He is a warrior born into the wrong time period. His ideals and outlook are similar to the ideal of the mideavel knight. Fighting for what you believe in, because that can bring out the best in people. In a way, battles are way of tempering mankind, wearing away at some of the uglier aspects and bringing out the true human spirit. That's why he's fascinated with the Gundam pilots (and Zechs as well). To him, they represent the true human spirit. They're fighting for something they believe in, and all doubts are gone. Of course, we know that's not true, but if you look at them from his viewpoint, espically before he meets Heero, that's what it looks like.

Zechs doesn't have a dual personality either. He is a very deep character, but that's one of the reasons I like this series. The main characters all have depth to them, making them more real. No one in real life is just one thing. We all have layers to our personality, and in different situations will react differently. Zechs took on the name Zechs because he was hiding. He wanted revenge for his family's death, and being that his family stood for peace, he didn't feel worth of the name Peacecraft anymore. He has a brief time where he takes his old name back, but he's doing that to try and help Relena. He thinks it's for the best, though he later realizes it doesn't matter what he does, mankind simply isn't ready for peace yet. They need some reason to unite, something that will cause them to stand together. That's why he joins White Fang, and why he trys to blow up the Earth. Treize realizes the same thing, that's why he takes Tallgees out to space. At that point, they both realize that they're basicly just staging a play that will hopefully unite mankind. That's not to say Zechs wouldn't blow up the Earth. He had to be ready to carry out the threat. But if you listen to him, he's doing what he thinks is needed for mankind to eventually be at peace. Relena doesn't understand that, but I think Heero did. That's why he trusted him to blow up the ship at the end. By that point, humanity has come together and started working together. Marimeia later completes this process, unintenionally, when she trys to take over in EW. By that time, Relena has realized that just wishing for peace doesn't work. The majority of people have to wish for it as well. The final battle in GW and Marimeia's actions in EW finally achieve this process. That is what Treize wanted in the end.

And yes, Treize was wanting to die in that final fight. At least that's how it looked to me. He realizes that his goal is being achived, but if he's around, humans will dream of the glory of war and so on. He's not need for actual peace, just the catilyst. He didn't go looking for Wufei, but I think he was glad that Wufei was the one who killed him. Wufei probally comes the closest to understand him aside from Zechs, being that Wufei was from a warrior clan. Yes, he was a scholar (ready Episode Zero), his family and clan have a long history of being noble warriors. He takes up after Melian, though I don't really think he understood just what she was fighting for, and that's probally why he loses his way and some of his ideals during GW. That's also why he ends up joining Marimeia later on. He does feel useless, and he wants to know what's next. I do, however, belive that Treize could defeat Wufei. After all, he does early on in the series with his sword. Yes, his heart wasn't in that final fight with Wufei, but I neither was Wufei's. I think in a straight fight, they'd be pretty evenly matched.


gawd, this is turning long, isn't it? ^_^; I have to go to work now, but I'll post my replies to that website later tonight.

So much information @.@ *dizzies*

wow Kuwabara, u get it all? lol

Finally someone who understands thanks Dubird thats what i've been trying to get across on how deep these characters run like they have dual personalities and they prove their skills by taking OZ mobile suits and pushing them farther thatn any OZ pilot ever did making them take more damage and even their so called "God Like Gundam" as many called them gets destroyed and notice how Heero and Trowa used The Mercurious and Vay8 to destroy all those Mobile suits and only wing Zero Destroy them because of Quatre lost mind and the reason the Mecha designs are so beautiful is because notice how they had all that funding From the Colonies the Winner family and the Bartons so before people start runnig their mind on how they suck compared to the other Series such as the UC use logic and you'll see it is one if not the best Gundam series

Come ON Strider

i agree the wing series is the best

Kuwabara before I begin I do have a life you know so I can't post everyday.

Anyways I cannot admit that Wing is one of the best Gundam series out there. You have your opinions and I have mine. I find everything about GW to be nothing but a senseless show that at one time I did like (well I still do like it but there are far better Gundam series out there). I'm sorry my heart just belongs to the UC series of Gundam and it always will.

Now I did not take the time to read both your post or Dubirds (for one I just got up and two its too much to read thru). I don't have to read Dubie's since I know she knows quite a bit about GW (hell she has her own site dedicated to it). I know everything in her post is true and she has proof to back it. Yes I agree, the pilots have a deep personalities which makes them intriguing. I just can't bring myself to like them as heroes as most can because there are far more intriguing Gundam pilots (like Char, The Nightmare of Solomon (I can't remember his name to save my life), Amuro, etc.).

I will always think of the GW Gundams as godly. It doesn't matter if they have been destroyed. What happened after that? They were upgraded and made even more powerful. Why? Well why not they were already Godly enough but lets make them stronger. Technically the Mercurius and the Vayeate are Gundams. Why do I say this? Well what makes a Gundam a Gundam? The Gundanium alloy, which both the M and V are made with. So this does technically make them Gundams. They aren't as Godly as the Gundams (thank god they decided to make something almost realistic) because they don't have the wide range of weaponry (I mean come on the V has that huge ass beam gun (no I'm not gonna go look its name up, like I said I just got up) and the M has just a beam saber and a beam machine gun). Bah I've lost my train of thought now.

If none of that makes any sense its because as I said I just got up and I'm too tired to be placing any attention to this topic.

The gundam may not just appear gundam-it may be that the leo's and stuff just are too weak, in the MS storyline the mobile suits acutally are almost as strong as the gundam.

Blitz you do have a point because OZ never thought that a gundam let alone 5 whould be attacking them so they found no use in making powerful Mobilesuits and as far as the pilots are Concern they are all Hero's though they may not portray it they all have heroic characteristics and not to mention the other pilots of gundam wing like Trowa, Duo, Quatre, Wofei, these pilots are not to be taking lightly they all have skills that make them exceptional pilots they all go into battle with their own personalities

Like Duo for instance he is called the god of death and great destroyer he made the legend once you see a gundam you die true he never attacked an OZ base without killing everyone his personality is quite Ironic he asks as friendly as a kitten but when he steps into a mobile he is like a psycho killer and i personally think that Kira would not win in a battle against duo like i said once quatre is the only pilot that kira could beat in his current skill level

Now Trowa is quite different from the other characters having no real name unlike duo he doesn't remember his real name now Trowa is often dubbed as being silent but it is not that he's silent he just speaks when he feels the need for it. Because of this he gets on well with heero,another pilot who appreciates his own space. Trowa also has a special friendship with quatre possibly because quatre showed him how to be kind and brought out the humanity in him. When trowa was only 3 years old a bomb exploded which seperated him from his sister and killed his parents. Trowa was taken in by a group of mercenaries and since he was so young and couldn't rember his name they called him Nanshi-or no name .Later on in his life when he was about 10 he met a girl called midi une who he rescued but it turned out she was just leading the enemy to them. The only two to survive were trowa and midi.Thensome years later when when he was between the years of 14 and 15 he was working as a mechanic wehere he witnessed the murder of the "real" trowa barton by doctor s and one of his men and voluntered to take the "real" Trowa's place as pilot of the Gundam heavyarms.


you can see that the Gundam Pilots of gundam wing have better storues than the other pilots to fully know their lives you must watch eoisode Zero to understand and even if their gundams are powerful they do get damaged and the UC gundams get way more beatings than the AC gundams so that reflects piloting skills cause if you notice how every time the AC pilotes get into OZ mobile suits they take it to an extreme which OZ pilots cannot do neither could UC pilots like Char is not superior to Zechs in any way because Zechs always pushes the mobile Suits to its maximum without destroyin it and Amoro could not beat Heero

Sorry for the double post but i hate having a topic with no new posts

Kuwabara I will say this and say this only: Your last comment in that post is complete and utter bullshit. Amuro is better then Heero and Char is better then Zechs. If you watch the series and actually pay attention you will notice this. Its your GW fanism that is blinding you from noticing these two points. Now if you'll excuse me I am going to stay away from this topic because you have done nothing to prove what you said. Also the admins don't care i you don't like having no new posts in an entry, you still doubleposted.

Strider i've watch mobile gundam where amuro was pilot and if you pay attention you'll see that his gundam RX-78-2 compared to the wing gundams is nothing its made of lunar titanium while wing zero was made from gundanium alloy which is clearly stronger when it comes to skill no doubt amuro had because you have to be skillful to pilot a gundam
amuro's skills were the keys to the Gundam's performance, perhaps more so than the abilities of the Gundam itself. but if he pilots his gundam and heero uses wing zero who do you honestly think will win come on even you can its not fan boyism its fact that gundam has poor armorments when its compared to GW gundams it is slower and weaker than wing zero but if amuro were to use the gundam he used in char's counterattack sure he could fend off the GW gundams especilly using his funnels i'll admit it i loved that gundam especially in the gundam games he would stand a chance against wing zero using that gundam but its cockpit system was poorly bilt and couldn't handle too many minds on a single type that was the only drawback which caused its destrucktion so amuro had best not attack heero in a crowd

Now Zeta gundam is another story with its bio-sensor. Though the exact nature of the bio-sensor is unknown, its primary purpose was to allow a Newtype pilot to more easily interface with his mobile suit. The bio-sensor could also have a rather surprising side effect when the pilot was mentally and emotionally focused enough (usually when angry or upset) to cause the bio-sensor to amplify the power that is a mobile suit capable of fighting the GW gundams.

The other gundam series have gundams that can fight the GW gundams such as the Victory Gundam which is one of the best designs for a gundam it had a regular mode a bird mode and a top and bottom bird mode so if the top gets blown off it becomes a bottom flight mode and vice versa and V-Gundam is stronger than the RX-78 and the Zeong

as a matter of fact wing zero tallgeese 3 and epyon is stronger than Zeong

Well, I can't argue the merit of GW to other gundam series, because the only other one I've seen in entirty is Gundam X (which I did like). I've seen parts of UC, and I have seen Char, and from little I've seen, I still like Zechs better. That's just my personal opinion though, and I'm not trying to say "gw r0xor" or whatever. Just trying to clear up some misperceptions.

And about the GW models being god-like: they're not. They basicly hunks of metal. Very well armored and highly programed hunks of metal, but without a good pilot, they're just well armored Leos. (or Tauris, or whichever one was taken from the Tallgeese model). The Gundam pilots have be specificly trained to handle them, and are all exceptional pilots. I include Zechs in this because he managed to tame Tallgeese. If you listen to them talk, you realize that each one is prepared to die for what they're fighting in. In fact, they fully expect it. That's why they're able to put the gundams through the extremes that they do. Though, Zechs didn't really for a while. I think after he realizes this, he starts to understand the gundam pilots better (espically after the second fight with Heero). To me, he's one of the most confused characters in the series. Once he has his revenge for the destruction of the Sanq kingdom, he loses his path. He doesn't know what to do. He trys different things, but he becomes just as lost as the gundam pilots do after the colonies rejected them. It's only toward the end that he realizes what he wants and how to go about acheiving it. As for him pushing his suits to the extreme, he doesn't for a long time. Yes, he's an exceptional pilot, but it's not until later that he can push himself as a pilot. And that doesn't really happen until he gets into Wing Zero. I think the ZERO system had a lot to do with that by removing his distractions and focusing on fighting. Although during that fight with Heero in Epyon, they both realize the futality of actually continuing the fight. At least, fighting as they're doing. At that point, both are rather lost and looking for some reason to go on. I can only imagine what was actually said them before Heero took off with Wing ZERO, but it's odvious they came to some kind of agreement. They're not enimies. Even later they're not, though the gundam pilots are trying to stop White Fang. Zechs wanted them to fight because it gave humanity something to rally behind. It also gave them a focus, and a chance for a final conclusion. I think Heero figures this out during the final fight, that's why he's telling Zechs it's not necessary anymore.

OK, I'm out of words for now. Oh, and that site has been down so I can't get a look at it. *shrugs* Like ya'll haven't heard enough out of me. ^_^;;

Dubird you do come up with brilliant comments and make a strong point in what i've been trying to tell STRIDER HIRYU Like the wing Gundam 01 it was well built with Gundanium alloy the strongest metal there was unlike the OZ mobile suits made of Titanium it could take more damage it could withstand heavy weapon fire to missile lauches and even its own self destruct sequence and in the hand of the suicidal pilot Heero it was a weapon to be feared as a matter of fact all the gundams were just as fearsome not to mention the Tallgeese 1,2,and3 the mercurious and Vayeate so you could pit these suits with any other gundam series and i promise these suits are far superior and on that note back to the pilots.

Like Char and his Zeong or Sazabi i believe Zechs inside his Epyon or his Tallgeese 3 he would outclass the Zeong the Sazabi would cause a treat to the epyon because of those funnels but i believe that the tallgeese 3's canon can blow those funnels to
into nothing no matter how fast char is able to call them back with the power to blow up a colony the TAllgeese would prove a formidable foe fore the Sazabi

and speaking of pilots amuro vs heero i 'll finish later the bell rung

wow ur all as crazy as me

yes we are and im proud of the fact that i scared off Strider Hiryu

u-huh im eatinga candy cane rite now i need to enjoy hmmmmmmmm...

ok, this is a VERY VERY VERY long post. I didn't reply to a lot of it, partily because there was a lot of repeats, partily because a lot it was very stupid. I mean, "Misleading episode titles"? Come on! *rolls eyes* But, here's the ones I actually wrote about.


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"The Gundams are nearly invincible. "
- I've commented on this above, but basicly, a MS is only as good as it's pilot. Period. If you're a sucky pilot in a Gundam, that just means you get hit more before you die.

"Quatre's an idiot. He says he's sorry while he slaughters things. Oh, an indecisive soldier who hates to kill! Good
idea, colonists! "
- Quater is a solider with compassion. Is that such a bad thing? He doesn't have a problem killing someone if it's necessary. He doesn't like it, but that doesn't mean he won't kill if he has to. Notice his kill count is up with Heero's and Trowa's? He just doesn't want un-necessary fighting and killing.

"Wu Fei is a malchauvenist pig to an annoying extent"
- I honestly don't think people give Wufei enough credit. He's not against women fighting. That's what the Americanized dub portrays, but he's really against people who are weak that try and fight. He thinks the weak should let the stronger protect them, male or female. Actually, he doesn't consider himself very strong. He's only a Gundam pilot because his wife died. He didn't think a lot of her because he didn't think she was stong, but she proved him wrong. She had her idea of justice, and that was enough for her. Wufei never really understands her, though he becomes a Gundam pilot to try and honor her memory. That doesn't sound a 'chauvenist pig' to me.

"The Wing Gundam Self Destructed. Heero lived. It was repaired. you can't live through that explosion, and you can't repair a pile of ash"
- It wasn't repaired, it was rebuilt. And yeah, it is kinda a joke that Heero lived. Most of GW fandom still wonders how one can weave gundanium, seeing as his shorts are probally made of that.

"After DeathScythe is shot several times in the head at close range, it's barely even scratched. But nah, this show isn't one sided!"
- Yes, it was damaged. But Duo also had contacts and a great deal of mecahnincal skill to repair any damage. Thus, Deathscythe lived on.

"An Aries goes down with one hit from a foot soilder's bazooka. That's just sad"
- An Aries is a crap MS. Just about everyone will agree with that. My personal theroy is that it's cheap to make, hence the army gets more bang for it's buck. Of course, when you have a lot of Aries, the bang is more likely to happen on your side....

"The buster rifle somehow destroys an army of Virgos, standing side by side, all of whom were shielded. It's a good thing we didn't have to sit through, say, an actual fight"
- The buster rifle is a highly concentrated laser beam. A small laser beam will cut through just about everything. Imagine what one probally a million times more powerful can do.

"There doesn't seem to be a war going on. Few or no civilian casualties whereas in MS Gundam, Zeon and Federal battles cause the deaths of civilians by the dozen."
- Just because they don't show the civilians dying, doesn't mean it doesn't happen. It does happen a lot. The Gundam pilots are careful at first to avoid civilian areas and only target OZ. After a while, OZ starts hunting them down, and local people get caught up in the fight. You can see them because when really huge mecha blows up, it's kinda hard to draw the indigenious people running in fear, but there's lots of scenes where people are talking about it and you do see a lot of civilian towns come under the gun.

"Virtually all the main characters live, except Trieze, and that was technically suicide(you don't really think Wufei could've beaten Trieze in a real fight do you?) "
- First of all, that's an anime standard - If you're a main character, you're almost guarnteed to live. Second, yes I do think Wufei beat Treize on his own merits. After all, Wufei was wanting to die too.

"Why are all the main characters all so...pretty? It's like all the ugly people are either dead or evil, and all the heroes are total studs or babes! "
- Another anime standard. I dare you to find one really ugly guy or girl that's a main good character. (OK, you probally can, but not very many. That's my point.)

"OZ MS stay the same through the whole series: Leos and later Virgos and Taurus. Zeon MS get stronger as the series goes on: Zaku II to Gouf to Dom to Gelgoog(which is just as strong as the Gundam.)"
- First of all, I don't know how long the UC series are supposed to last. By that, I mean time span. GW time span is one year. Not a lot of technologial advancement in one year. The MS do get better toward the end, except they get turned into mobile dolls, which to me, defeats the whole purpose. I mean, hell, if you're going to just build robots to fight, why not break out a global game of Risk? It'd be a hell of a lot cheaper in any event.

"Heero can't kill Relena. He wants to, she wants him to, but he just can't do it."
- Actually, the only reason he's going to kill her is because she can identify him. She doesn't really want him to kill her, but that's not clear in the series. Go read the manga. It's a lot more clear there.

"Trowa can't bring enough ammo into battle to save his life. "
- This is another bit of GW humor we fans never understood. He does have a knife! But he never uses it. Trowa probally follows the philosophy 'Speak softly and carry a big gun'. Or, in his case, several big guns.

"Either Duo's a whip-crackin' slave driver or Hilde's a subservient, mindless drone."
- ROFLMAO! This one cracks me up! Yeah, Hilde does stuff for Duo, but he does stuff for her too. They work together in a lot of ways. I'm not really a DuoxHilde shipper, but it's not a Dom/sub relationship.

"Trowa should be deaf, he's got huge machine guns right above his head. Also, it should be very hot in there."
- Two words: Soundproofing and AC.

"Heero's spandex shorts are just a little X-rated"
- Another one that cracks me up. LOL How are they x-rated? They're snug, yes, but they don't show everything. Hell, you can't even see where he hides his gun.

"Duo was raised by priests, he wears preists clothes yet he dosn't belive in God, is obsessed with Satan and Death and is more Gothic than Catholic. "
- Duo is not Goth. He was not actually raised by priests. He spent a couple years in a Catholic-type orpanage. The people who ran it became his family, but he never actually believed in God. (yet another go-read-the-manga thing for ya). His reasoning was that he can't see God, but he's seen lots of death. That's why he does believe in the God of Death. (or Angel of Death, depending on your translation).

"In all the space battles the MS's explosions leave no pieces behind."
- Yes they do. In fact, later on, Duo makes some tidy money salvaging the bits and pieces.

"Capital ships. Where are they? I only saw two, and some pathetic 20th century looking destroyers. OZ has no battle fleet, just a bunch of suits and airborne carriers. Zeon had all sorts of heavy capital ships. Supply freighters, Musai class battleships, the Mad Angler, the Gallop, other things that I don't remember their names. The Federation had the Pegasus class, the Magellan class, and the Salamis class. "
- How many fights actually took place over water? I think if there had been more battles involving ships or someone had a water mobile base, we'd've seen a lot more.

"It doesn't focus any on people or Mobile Suits, just on speeches and war efforts."
- That's because GW is a lot more deep than a lot of other Gundam series. (from my experience anyways). This is not just a 'Oooooo thing go boom!' series. There's a lot of philosophy involved and a lot of different opinions that get explored about war and peace.

"The G-Boys are supposed to be this ultra secret covert operations team. Heero got busted on DAY 1 of the job by geting caught by Zechs. Sloppy tradecraft."
- That's what spies are for. OZ knew about the Gundams, or at least, had some information about the Gundams, before they came to Earth. That just proves that OZ had a very good information gathering system.

"The scientists THEMSELVES trained the G-Boys for their operation. I guess the colony's military forces must have been so lazy to have actually given this job to the old geezers."
- The colonists did not build the Gundams, nor did they have anything to do with the Gundams. white Fang is actually the main party responsible for financing and manufacturing the Gundams. The five scientists they got to actually build the Gundams had worked together on Tallgeese. After they realized the true reason behind White Fang's idea for the Gundams, they decided to foil that plan as best they could. The Gundam pilots knew about their original mission (i.e., weaken Earth and drop the colony), but they choose not to do that. They went along with the five scientists.

"Some GW fans tried to rationalize this by saying "The colonists were planning a colony drop AFTER the G-Boys weaken Earth defenses". Really? How did they plan to transport one when they didn't even have warships or MS to escort it? Or are they assuming that the Feds are so stupid that they'd just let them do it in a sense of fair play... "
- First of all, the colonies are rather close in Earth's orbit. It would not take very much to spin one out of control so it would drop. That's what happened in Gundam X actually. They wouldn't need to be in control of it, just get someone on the colony that could infiltrate the defenses and start the process. Probally a suicide mission, but fanatics will do anything for their cause.

"The physics of the world are altered when needbe. Trowa destroys Deathscythe in 1 hit, a fully intact body. When that same beam cannon hits a standing Gundam, No damage. The Hell? "
- Deathscythe was non-functional at that time. Remember, Duo was on it in space, he had no weapons and actually tried to self-destruct. Deathscythe was trashed anyways, so it really didn't take much to finish the job.

"Why in Episode 17 does DeathScythe and Sandrock have such a hard time getting past the Leos at the shuttle base? The Leos have the aforementioned pea shooter guns. "
- The Leos have a shit-load of pea shooter guns. Not to mention that the Gundams are almost out of ammo and power. I don't care how good a pilot you are, that's going to be difficult.

"Any time one of the Gundam pilots gets into the cockpit on an OZ mobile suit, it can take about 10x the punishment that it normally takes. It sometimes seems that 1 or 2 bullets can off an OZ suit when a bad guy pilots it. Exaples are in the Duo meets Hilde episode and even when Heero battles Wu Fei in the movie. "
- The Gundam pilots are excellent pilots. Notice that when an average pilot gets into a Gundam, they don't do so good.

"the very costly gundams of Gundam Wing are the only stealth mobile suits in the series. Which is to say, they are not detected by a radar."
- The first part of that sentance should answer your question. The makers are probally commenting about the army being cheap.

"No rational reason behind many things. Why did White Fang revolt? Did they all just get bored, drunk, high, and say "Let's revolt"? "
- If you listened to the first few episodes, it's pretty odvious. The Federation was very oppressive and ruled the colonies with an iron fist. Not to many people will stand for that.

"No real explanation as to why Wufei decided to be evil and join the Mariemaia Army in Endless Waltz."
- He does explain himself at the end when he's fighting Heero. By this point, he does consider himself a soldier, but now, no one needs him anymore. He's not sure what do with himself or his life. He joins Marimeia to try and figure that out.

"Total disregard for politics in any way, realistic or not. The abolition of national borders would cause a sweeping riot across the world and countless revolutions. It would make the deaths of millions of people in thousands of wars entirely useless and in vain. The world would never just happily accept having all its borders abolished and making the deaths of millions of people across thousands of wars for nothing, and they sure wouldn't take this crap from a 15-year-old girl. "
- Not if you had a bunch of MSs to step on those that fought back. Remember, Relena is speaking for OZ at this point. She does agree that national boundries should be abolished and everyone should consider themselves as members of the human race, not by nationality. But she is rather naive in a lot of regards. Right now. she has OZ backing her. But later on she starts pulling away from OZ and trying do push for real peace instead of armed peace. Yes, she's very nieve and optimistic. But at least she's trying to do what she thinks is right.

"Tubarov is so annoying. But at least he died."
- Amen.

"The dubbed version sucks ASS. I have the DVD of Endless Waltz, and I refuse to watch the English version. Even if the subtitler should be shot"
- Amen to that too. Well, I don't have the DVD version, but the English translation is really goofy. The voices are good, but they get a lot of things wrong.

"Gundam Wing models are crap. The plastic is brittle and the proportions are off. Worst of all, they have "HG" kits modeled all in one color! Go buy an HGUC kit and spare yourself the heart break. "
- Another funny one!! The only thing the models have to do with the series is they're made to LOOK like the MSs. They're cheap plastic so Bandai can sell more of them and make lots and lots of money. It's called merchendising, and it's something every toy company does now. If you don't like the color, here's a news flash for you: Paint it!


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And then, just for fun, I inputed the url into the Vally Girl Translater (http://www.80s.com/Entertainment/ValleyURL/).

"Like, when Wing gundam actually did explode the whole body was like, you know, intact. What the hell is totally that ?! Like, oh my gawd! What was like, you know, the self detonation a bunch of firecrackers in the head of it? "

*LMAO*

yes we are and im proud of the fact that i scared off Strider Hiryu
No I'm sorry you didn't scare me off so nothing to be proud of. As I've said before I have a life which means I don't have time to amuse you in your idiotic talk of how GW is better then everything. That and I feel everytime I post in here that my IQ drops a few points. I'm sorry but I will not post again. All I wanted to do with this is say you didn't scare me off. If you actually had the knowledge of say half the people at MAHQ.net then maybe you'd be able to scare me off but sadly you don't.

Also my second reason is if we continue along this line I am afraid I might start flaming, which if you didn't know is a very bad thing. So I will now refrain from any further posts in here. If you wish to ever have a civil conversation about gundam (not dealing with GW mind you) I am always around to talk about that. Now if you'll excuse me I'm going to bed.

I agree that people will always have their own opinions. I think that UC is what gundam was meant to be.

:happy: good old Dubird Remember me? Spending weeks trying to get you to see Gundam X is better then Gundam wing lol. Glad to see you saw it....Dont remember if you saw it when we had that post war (to long ago).

Anyway from what I gathor and from what I think. Iv come up with this.


Gundam Wing is nothing more then what everyone wanted all packed into a Gundam Series to make money.
The Gundams are over powerful. I may be off on this but I remember numeric times where one gundam would almost be destroyed but it would have “just enough” power to blow some other Sh*t up (mostly Gundam Zero).
Many people have there own ideas, thoughts, and opinions on each gundam series. If you wanna walk threw each one Id be happy to do so and talk about what’s better about each pilot/gundam then the other. Once I watch them all again >< (its been so long.) Each one brought something new to the world of gundam. So You cant just say Heero is the best pilot (whoever said that), because there are numeric pilots out there not only on Gundam series but in mangas about gundam that where better then Heero, Zecks and so on.


If this didn’t make sense sorry its 3:58am and I’m falling asleep lol.



Just to throw down whom I thinks the best for the hell of it. I still think Gundam Double X was and still is one of the best gundams. It’s simple all around great there’s way to many things to point out about it that makes it better then any other. That and GP02“Physalis".Gotta love its atomic bazooka. For Pilots I could care less lol.



Anyway I don’t really see a point in fighting about who’s the best pilot or what’s the best mecha there all-cool anyway.

:::Equation for Gundam Fighting:::

Post Question = Flame1 / Respond = Your still a retard for fighting over the Internet about Gundam/Anime.

If you dont see the point then why say gundam double X is one of the best which he is i just need someone to list the top ten Gundams and top ten pilots

I stopped reading most of this topic on the 1st page. All i can say is None of the gundam pilots nor their suits compare to any of the pilots and their suits in SICD X'D!

A Gundam is nothing without a pilot. And Jamil is the best pilot from GX. :P

As for seeing GX, I saw that about four or five years ago, right around the time I started posting here, so it has been a while since I've seen it. May have to steal it from my friend I borrowed it from the first time around....*thinks*

Anyways, yes, everyone has their own opion about which Gundam series is best. I personally don't care if you don't like GW, as long as you have good reasons. Not liking it because other people say so, or not liking it because you don't understand it does irk me. As long as you have your facts straight and you still don't like it, then that doesn't bother me.



And Tsuzuki > SICD.



*runs*

"Trowa can't bring enough ammo into battle to save his life. "
- This is another bit of GW humor we fans never understood. He does have a knife! But he never uses it. Trowa probally follows the philosophy 'Speak softly and carry a big gun'. Or, in his case, several big guns.

Actually, in the Ep where they were ditching their Gundams to go to space(I beleive) trowas does use the knife, because he was protecting Quatre's jump. But overall...Yep, needs more ammo...

Like i said name 10 god pilots from the whole gundam universe

Domon Kasshu-G Gundam
Alenby Beardsly-G Gundam
Amuro Ray-0079
Char Aznable-0079
Camille Vidan-Z Gundam
Seabrook Amo-F91
Usso Evin-V Gundam
Heero Yuy-GW
Duo Maxwell-GW
Shiroh Amada-08th MS Team

That good enough for you Kuwabara? These people were all hero's and champions in their series'. They were either the best or right at a close second.
(Please forgive some of my spellings, I didn't have a hard spelling right at hand.)

And Tsuzuki > SICD.



*runs*

what the hell is Tsuzuki 0-o?

SICD ownz everyone simply how insanely overpowered the mechas were and how god-like skilled most the pilots were X'D

what the hell is Tsuzuki 0-o?

SICD ownz everyone simply how insanely overpowered the mechas were and how god-like skilled most the pilots were X'D

X'D So true, so very true.

@Kuwabara - You asked for everyone’s Opinion So I gave you mine. If you want I can edit that last post and take it out ;).





A Gundam is nothing without a pilot. And Jamil is the best pilot from GX. :P

True Jamil is the best for GX but look at Aumuro.He had no clue what he was doing in the first Gundam yet he killed 2 skilled Pilots that have been fighting way before him. He wasn’t skilled at all till a few ep’s into the series. Anyway I think it’s all on how the Gundam or MS is built. You could have the dumbest guy in it and as long he knows how to fire and walk and the MS has a good enough shield, weapon and so on you could kick anyone’s ass lol. I know it sounds cheap but hey it’s the truth. In real life a nuke will kill 20,000+ skilled men with guns and tanks. A Gundam will kill anything that’s not = to it. A nuke requires no skill to fire it. A gundam is basically the same thing. As long as you know how to walk and fire you’re set.



In some cases your right a gundam is nothing without its pilot. Like in Gundam X where all the GX’s are piloted by one guy (forgot name >< must go watch again.). You must be skilled to control so many Gundams without loosing many to stupid mistakes. (Sorry if this didn’t sound right or it sounded stupid lol.)



As for seeing GX, I saw that about four or five years ago, right around the time I started posting here, so it has been a while since I've seen it. May have to steal it from my friend I borrowed it from the first time around....*thinks*

Ya I remember you somewhat confused about it and you had only seen half of the series at the time. I think it was in 2000-2001 when we had the fight (before Sledgstone Re-did the forum and we all had to reregister). I might be wrong. O well sorry for walking down memory lane lol.





Anyways, yes, everyone has their own opion about which Gundam series is best. I personally don't care if you don't like GW, as long as you have good reasons. Not liking it because other people say so, or not liking it because you don't understand it does irk me. As long as you have your facts straight and you still don't like it, then that doesn't bother me.

Lol Dubird I just hate Gundam Wing lol j/k ya your right as long as you have info to back up what your saying then its all good. Much <3.

its not really the same wow if you can walk and fire and an experience pilot goes against you lets just say Treize and he dodges your fire and kill you see my point exactly now heres a more reality situation you have a gun and know how to shot can you kill a trained assasin i think you understand now

Now sabe Domon and Alenby i don't consider them as pilots just as fighters because they don't use the same controls and they have an advance because if they have fast reflexes their gundam will too unlike the rest of the Gundam universe where they have to have reaction timing to manuver and must cnstantly shifting buttons during a battle you have to be skilled to pilot those gundams but in G any street punk can handle a gundam as long as they can throw a punch and your list is missing let me revise it


Domon Kasshu-G Gundam
Alenby Beardsly-G Gundam
Amuro Ray-0079
Char Aznable-0079
Camille Vidan-Z Gundam
Seabrook Amo-F91
Usso Evin-V Gundam
Heero Yuy-GW
Duo Maxwell-GW
Shiroh Amada-08th MS Team


heres the revision
Heero-GW
Zechs/milliardo-GW
Char-MSG/CCA
Amoro-MSG/CCA
USO-V
Garrod-X
Roybea-X
seabook-F91
Treize-GW
50%-Kira-GS

GX did confuse me for a while until i had seen all of it.....^_^;....and Tsuzuki is one of my favorite characters from Yami no Matsuei....one of my favorite characters anyways.....it's not mecha, so i don't know if that counts.....but i have succeeded in confusing you, so my job is now done!.....*leaps away*.....

Now i have another question which is the best built Gundam Mobile suit i think and this time its not wing Zero i think it's "V" Gundam because of it's multiple modes whic gives the pilot a better chance of survivinfg

GX did confuse me for a while until i had seen all of it.....^_^;....and Tsuzuki is one of my favorite characters from Yami no Matsuei....one of my favorite characters anyways.....it's not mecha, so i don't know if that counts.....but i have succeeded in confusing you, so my job is now done!.....*leaps away*.....

haha I was fine till this last comment now im confused ^_^;

So she succeeded. Who else has seen "V" Gundam?