Dark Tower theories (ok Sledge, let's fight) II
Written by Ladywriter   
08-15-2004

Ladywriter
August 15th, 2004, 02:45 PM
Just like "Dark Tower theories (ok Sledge, let's fight) (http://www.ancientclan.org/archives/Stuff2003/17_Stuff2003.php)" this thread is reserved *forever* for discussion of Stephen King's The Dark Tower series (The Gunslinger, The Dreawing of the Three, The Wastelands, Wizard and Glass, Wolves of the Calla, Song of Susannah, The Dark Tower) and his works related to the series.
Warning! This thread will OFTEN contain spoilers :p

Ladywriter
August 15th, 2004, 02:48 PM
the ch list for dt7
look at your own risk :meh:

















The Dark Tower







Part One: The Little Red King( Dan-Tete)

I: Callahan and the Vampires
II: Lifted on the Wave
III: Eddie Makes a Call
IV: Dan-Tete
V: In the Jungle, The Mighty Jungle
VI: On Turtleback Lane
VII: Reunion

Part Two: Blue Heaven (Devar-Toi)

I: The Devar-Tete
II: The Watcher
III: The Shining Wire
IV: The Door Into Thunderclap
V: Steek-Tete
VI: The Master of Blue Heaven
VII: Ka-Shume
VIII: Notes from the Gingerbread House
IX: Tracks on the Path
X: The Last Palaver (Sheemie's Dream)
XI: The Attack on Algul Siento
XII: The Tet Breaks

Part Three: In This Haze of Green and Gold (Ves'-Ka Gan)

I: Mrs. Tassenbaum Drives South
II: Ves'-Ka Gan
III: New York Again (Roland Shows ID)
IV: Fedic (Two Views)

Part Four: The White Lands of Empathica (Dandelo)

I: The Thing Under the Castle
II: On Badlands Avenue
III: The Castle of the Crimson King
IV: Hides
V: Joe Collins of Odd's Lane
VI:Patrick Danville

Part Five: The Scarlet Field of Can'-Ka No Rey

I:The Sore and the Door (Goodbye, My Dear)
II: Mordred
III: The Crimson King and the Dark Tower
Epilogue: Susannah in New York

Coda: Found

Appendix Robert Browning "Childe Roland to the Dark Tower Came"

Ladywriter
August 23rd, 2004, 12:27 PM
I think 'Notes from the Gingerbread House' will have something to do with Rhea.

Ladywriter
August 27th, 2004, 11:37 AM
http://www.stephenking.com/pages/Works/Dark_Tower_VII/prologue.php

Chapter I: Callahan and the Vampires O_O


"Will you?" Jake asked the Pere, meaning Will you stand. Will you fight. Will you kill.
*shudder*

The boy must go on, the voice told him. Whatever happens here, however it falls, the boy must go on. Your part in the story is almost done. His is not.
*meep*



Oy took no notice of Jake's cry. He crunched three of the bugs in rapid succession, the crackle of their breaking carapaces gruesomely clear in the new stillness. He made no attempt to eat them but simply tossed the corpses, each the size of a mouse, into the air with a snap of the neck and a grinning release of the jaws.

And the others retreated back under the tables.

He was made for this, Callahan thought. Perhaps once in the long-ago all bumblers were. Made for it the way some breeds of terrier are made to --
*swwweeeet!*


i cant wait

Ladywriter
August 27th, 2004, 02:00 PM
from the revised Gunslinger:


"One had given him a stainless steel Silva compass and bade him give it to the man Jesus. The gunslinger took it gravely. If he saw Him, he would turn over the compass. He did not expect that he would, but anything was possible. Once he saw a taheen óthis one a man with a ravenís headóbut the misbegotten thing fled at his hail, cawing what might have been words. What might have been curses."

after he gets talkin with Brown about the taheen, Brown says
"Yar, he's lost his way. Claims yo be looning for a place called Algul Siento, only sometimes he calls it Blue Haven or Heaven, I cant make out which. Has thee ever heard of it?"
The gunslinger shook shook his head.

DT7
Part Two: Blue Heaven (Devar-Toi)
XI: The Attack on Algul Siento

Fedic
August 31st, 2004, 11:57 AM
Damnit woman! The link in your first post isn't working. :p
I can't remember if Roland still has that compass in his gunna ( Did he leave his shit behind after the shoot out w/ Balazar's guys? My book isn't handy and I seem to be suffereing from a mild case of CRS )

Ladywriter
August 31st, 2004, 08:15 PM
I'm re-reading the shoot out now. I'll see if I can find it...
and I'll bite sledge in the ass to get him to fix my poor link :(

Sledgstone
September 1st, 2004, 07:15 AM
i was going to do it yesterday but i didn't get on the computer much. :p i'll get it done to tonight if i have the time.

Fedic
September 2nd, 2004, 03:19 PM
Damn you're slow old man! :meh:

btw... If you dont want spoilers dont read the Kirkus Review over at the Barnes and Noble site. What a dickhead :x

Ladywriter
September 2nd, 2004, 05:28 PM
yar... too late
what a fuckshit -_-
on the brite side, Ty reopened the spoilers forum :happy:

Fedic
September 2nd, 2004, 08:32 PM
I see that. I also see it's pretty dead. -_-; But at least i got to read the PD stuff again. Geez, that poor kid :(
So do you know who fucked up the spoilers forum anyway? i totaly missed the whole thing.

Ladywriter
September 2nd, 2004, 08:40 PM
I'm not sure I remember who but some ass posted huge spoilers/spoilers in the topic title :rolleyes:
RV was gone at the time -_-;

Fedic
September 2nd, 2004, 08:57 PM
Thanks. I didn't feel like reading 9 pages of people acting like assfucks to find out what went wrong.
Anyway...
spoiler talk









.
So do you think they'll take Patrick with them, and just where the hell did they find him???

Sledgstone
September 2nd, 2004, 09:29 PM
The link is updated! The old topic has been archived. :D

Fedic
September 2nd, 2004, 09:34 PM
Thanks! I was wanting to go look through some of that stuff again. Its amazing how theorys have changed over the past year or so.

Ladywriter
September 2nd, 2004, 10:03 PM
*spoilerish for DT 7*

I'm not sure where the hell they find Patrick, but I get the feeling like he was someplace with the breakers. It gave me the "Big Combination" feel when I read it.
Poor kid, I wonder if it was Sayre that ripped his tounge out :(
I'm sure Suz wont leave him behind....

Ladywriter
September 3rd, 2004, 12:06 PM
Okay... I just read Quint's review of DT7 . It's spiolerish, but we have been expecting some of the things he talks about. He defines Ka-Shume for us too. Plate throwin' Breakers >.<
SPOILERS DAMNIT!


















go away >.<

















I knew ppl was gonna die... but .... :( We know Suz lives (she probably does find Patrick in some Big Combination deal) So who? I'll guess Eddie. I dont wanna lose Eddie, but Id rather see him go then Jake. Sorry if that sounds rotten, but I'll just be crushed if/when Jake Chambers reaches the clearing at the end of the path.
As far as the end of the book and the pull away by Steve and his lil warning... I will keep going. I want to go all the way to the end with whoever is left. :(

Sledgstone
September 3rd, 2004, 05:31 PM
i'm not going to reply to this anymore if you post spoilers in it. >_<

Ladywriter
September 4th, 2004, 09:35 AM
duh. I warned you! :nono:
beat it then sledge!

Sledgstone
September 4th, 2004, 09:35 AM
yeah yeah, i'll just have to add a spoiler bb code. :p

Ladywriter
September 4th, 2004, 11:15 AM
or you could just pay attention to shit marked spoiler :meh:

Sledgstone
September 4th, 2004, 11:58 AM
*finishes the spoiler code* mmmhmmm. :rolleyes:

Ladywriter
September 5th, 2004, 02:08 PM
I knew It was alive. I knew it would show up!

Fedic
September 7th, 2004, 11:48 AM
I think from the spiolers I have peeked at, the ka tet or whats left of them, will face It. It's either some sort of manifestation of the Crimson King, or an entity whose perpose is to guard the Dark Tower. There seems to be a lot of spider action in DT!

Ladywriter
September 12th, 2004, 11:01 AM
yar! 9 days *twitch*

Ladywriter
September 16th, 2004, 05:29 PM
look! he got Jakes hair right! O_O

Fedic
September 16th, 2004, 08:45 PM
:happy:
http://www.newcomicreviews.com/bbc/modules/ BBCGallery/albums/album02/6_G.sized.jpg

it makes me so happy to see them all like this :(

Ladywriter
September 18th, 2004, 02:49 PM
hope you like the siggy Fedic.
Sorry I 4got about the custom avatar thing :p
guess you'll just have to post more :meh:

Sledgstone
September 19th, 2004, 10:18 AM
those pictures look good. i'm glad they got someone with some nice skill to finish up the last book.. i tell you, if there were abstract crappy looking pics in the last book it would have pissed me off. :p


ok, final impressions before the last book comes out!

do you think callahan will die in the dixie pig?

obviously from reading the chapter list, Susannah must live, but what of the others?

who do you think is going to die? and if eddie or jake were givin the choice, would they choose to save rolands life over going to the tower if it ment sacrificing themselves? and would roland do the same knowing he must be the one to go to that tower?

Ladywriter
September 19th, 2004, 11:00 AM
I think Callahan will die creating a distraction in the Dixie Pig so Jake can escape and go rescue Suz.
He will redeem himself as an agent of white/man of God b4 he reaches the clearing at the end of the path.
Just 1 problemo, he has Jakes gun damnit! >.<
I have a sinking feeling our buddy Eddie aint gonna make it to the Tower. And I'm terrorized my lil Jake is gonna get taken out too. It would make sense that Roland must do this alone :(

Sledgstone
September 19th, 2004, 11:10 AM
i think roland would leave them all behind once he gets there. his previous ka tet fell for him as will this one. he loves them all but his purpose is set. and when they get to that tower the ka tet will serve its purpose. the hardships that roland faces, he deserves that tower, he deserves to see what is there and make a difference.

Ladywriter
September 19th, 2004, 11:40 AM
Lets give the re-incarnation thing a peek. O_O

Eddie and Jake are like Bert and Al, only more intensified because they're not from Gilead, but from NYC. Jake's power way surpasses Al's. He just casually reads minds. The scene w/ him and the cabby that almost hit Oy.(Song).. Jake flipped out hardcore. He was ready to shoot the muthafucka in the face. His power has been getting stronger as they head down the path of the Beam, even suprising Roland. Jake's had a lot to happen to since first being pushed by Mort. If it werent for his gunslinger training I bet he'd be insaine. (maybe he is, maybe Roland is too. they're both at least a lil crazy that is fer sure) Eddie has chose The Tower.
Bert and Al are dead from pg 1 of The Gunslinger. This makes me fear for Eddie and Jake. Both of them would willingly sacrafice their lives for Roland and the Tower. I think Eddie has kind of known all along that Roland's "fucking Tower" would be the end of him.

Sledgstone
September 19th, 2004, 12:51 PM
i think alot of jakes power comes from dieing a few times. now think of flagg.. how often has he been "defeated" and simply moved on to the next world under a different name.. and with a blank slate? look at the end of the stand. how many names does he have and how powerful must he be?

the big difference is that jake is touched by the light. al is jake and has rejoined with roland. same with cuthbert and eddie.. but what of susannah? susan? all things are not coincidences when related to the tower.

Fedic
September 19th, 2004, 08:21 PM
I think Don will meet his end in the Dixie Pig. His death will not be in vain, Jake and Oy will escape to save Suz.
VII: Reunion will be that pic of Eddie, Roland, Jake, Oy and Suz.
Somewhere along the way XII: The Tet Breaks My guess is this is where we will see a/the first/probably Eddie's death. :( The real ka tet is Eddie Jake Suz with Roland as Dihn, so I assume when the tet breaks (Suz we assume lives) its either Eddie or Jake.

Just to "touch" the subject of Jake, perhaps he is going insaine.
He is pushed into the street by Mort/Flagg and dies. Ends up at the Way Station, goes with Roland and dies. Returns to his previous life b4 he was killed and is not killed (to repeat his own loop at the way station) He begins to go insaine from the paradox. Once reunited with Roland the paradox closes and he seems to go back to some degree of normal. The touch has been getting progressivly stronger for Jake. Reading Roland's mind and seeing Suz/Mia etc. Then the sun goes down on his childhood when Benny goes splat beside him.

And very softly-it would have chilled the heart of the boy in question had he heard it, Eddie had no doubt of that- Jake said: "Frank ... fucking ... Tavery."


and

Jake stepped back,breaking free of the tall taxi driver's grip. Then, in a liquid motion too quick for Callahan to follow, the kid yanked the Ruger from the dockers clutch under his arm and pointed at the driver's nose.
"Tell me what?" Jake raged at him. "Tell me what? That you were driving too fast and almost ran down my friend? That you dont want to die here in the street with a hole in your head? Tell me WHAT?"
A lil further down in that scene...
What Don Callahan saw most clearly and liked least was the way the barrel of the Ruger was trembeling. "Say you're sorry for the way you were driving, you careless motherfucker! Do it now! Do it now!"

I could go on about Jake, but I'll stop for now

Ladywriter
September 20th, 2004, 09:04 PM
I'll head to the store as soon as the kids r gone 2morrow :happy:

Sledgstone
September 20th, 2004, 09:31 PM
Jake stepped back,breaking free of the tall taxi driver's grip. Then, in a liquid motion too quick for Callahan to follow, the kid yanked the Ruger from the dockers clutch under his arm and pointed at the driver's nose.
"Tell me what?" Jake raged at him. "Tell me what? That you were driving too fast and almost ran down my friend? That you dont want to die here in the street with a hole in your head? Tell me WHAT?"
A lil further down in that scene...
What Don Callahan saw most clearly and liked least was the way the barrel of the Ruger was trembeling. "Say you're sorry for the way you were driving, you careless motherfucker! Do it now! Do it now!"
jake only has two friends outside of his Tet.. ben and oy.. he saw ben die in front of him and here he almost faced the same scenario.. except oy was a hell of alot closer to jake than ben every was.. not only that but bens death was ben's own fault..

but to jake, if oy was to be taken out by someone thinking no more of a fly hitting the windshield... nah, f*ck that, jake wanted to make an impression on that man. a serious impression.

and think of jake's emotional state and the fact that he can pick up just about anyone's feelings and notions around him... he could tell that guy didn't give a f*ck and it just pissed jake off all the more. besides.. don't you think with jake's abilities, he could sense oy's fear of almost being killed? the fact that jake has the touch so strong is why he trembled. emotional overload.

Ladywriter
September 20th, 2004, 10:59 PM
if it werent for Frank ... fucking ... Tavery, Benny would prolly have lived.
Damn, tomorrow cant come soon enuff! :explode:

Ladywriter
September 22nd, 2004, 08:27 AM
I'm about 1/2 way thru.

King is killin me here
I read Eddie's death last nite in bed. Sledge was mostly asleep. he dun want spoilers, so I had to cry Quiet :(

Ladywriter
September 22nd, 2004, 10:48 AM
I actually have to stop for a minute. I cant read this stuff about jake w/o getting all teary eyed

Sledgstone
September 22nd, 2004, 06:35 PM
*refuses to read spoilers* :x

Ladywriter
September 23rd, 2004, 10:39 AM
Ok, so after a pretty heart wrenching (stabbing and blowing up -_-; ) day of reading, last night I finished the book. I'm still letting it settle. I kinda feel like I swallowed the sharpened spoon m'self.
I figured Don would go out in the Dixie Pig. And to tell ya the truth, I really didnt feel that sorry for him. between the shit from the Lot and his bs about Suz not havin an abortion in the Calla...whatever.
Algul Siento wasa bit of a suprise. I thought jail, but here was this "happy lil town" It makes perfect sense. a happy breaker is a productive breaker.Ted and Dinky, no real suprise there, but Shemmie. Shemmie like a shooting star that heard the Beam, and then -what- dies of something that made me think superflue.
And then there was Eddie. Don was not of my ka tet, but Eddie was. Shot in the head rather unceremoniously, drilling it in that shit happens. And then Eddie lingers. Lingers long enough on the verge of death to get the message about Dandelo and pass it on.
And then there was Jake. Roland Jake Oy and that fucking lazy writer Stephen King. And my boy died. I! Ake! And Roland wasnt there for him when he passed, but Oy was. Roland was taking care of the writer and the asshole who hit him when Jake passed. Roland and Oy burrying Jake and saying good by. Their grief hurt me just as much if not more then Jakes death. Cuz I felt the same way I guess.
And then there was Suz. And she realized she didnt need to go to the Tower, she needed to go to Central Park. And seeing Roland and Oy without the others can break a heart
And then there was Oy. Oy who wanted to stay with Jake and die, but did not. Oy who had promised Jake he would protect Roland. Oy died more like a gunslinger then all the ka tet in my opnion.
And then there was Mordred. It wasnt some mark on his body the CK needed from him. What he needed was Roland's gun, passed down the line of Eld from father to son.
And then there's the Crimson King himself. The lunitic that wants to get to the top of the Dark Tower and find his own door. oogie boogie guys like him can never really go all the way away, and thus the Eye of the King.
Partick does not go to the Tower, he heads for the Calla's and the manni.
Roland does. He sings the names of his fallen and this song can be felt thru the very pages of the book.
the last left behind is that he has had the longest. His gun. The guns of Gilead with the mark of the white, Eld's sword in a gun. Roland goes in.
Then we are in Central Park with Suz. And there she finds some version of Eddie and Jake (and eventually Oy) and it seems like a happy ending... but something was "hinkey" about it. I'm sure that (other worlds then these) the bonds of their ka tet could draw them together . was this Eddie experiencing a paradox himself? Was she sent there to fix that?
And finally after all the years and miles Roland chimbs the stairs of the Dark Tower to the very top..... bravo.

Fedic
September 23rd, 2004, 08:04 PM
this is by far the most emotional story of the entire series.

Did you think Suz ended up in another world, or was she dead. Consider the gun.

Ladywriter
September 24th, 2004, 08:51 AM
here's the Today show interview from Monday
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6029553/
video's down the page a lil bit

Ladywriter
September 24th, 2004, 09:42 AM
I think Epilouge was the way Steve wanted the story to end, at least for that ka tet.

it enforces da fan, ka like a wheel, and the bonds of ka tet.
It was Patrick that created the door, but it came from Suz's heart. Her dreams, intuition,her bond w/ Eddie and Jake put her where she ended up.

I think the gun was ruined for a couple of reasons. Suz's last real test is tossing it away. A hard thing for a gunslinger to do, the hardest perhaps. On another level, the gun is now meaningless because the beams are fixed and the Tower will stand.

Fedic
September 27th, 2004, 08:07 PM
I actually had to take a few days to let it all sink in. I was just so overcome by Jake's death and funeral... I'm sure you get what I mean.

To hell with the morons that didnt appriciate this story. They should be pitied Lady, think of it that way.
Personally I loved it even tho King broke my heart :(

Ladywriter
September 28th, 2004, 08:38 AM
j flippin c
have you seen the way that Tank kid has been stalkin me? (7 sp forum) wtf man
I told him to go kill himself this morning... and i dont feel bad about it. I'm usually not that cruel but j flippin c ... what an asshole. -_-;

Fedic
September 28th, 2004, 11:25 AM
he's just a bitter baby.
jealous of your post count I'll bet. :p Pissed off he doesn't have the imagination to resolve his issues with the story.
Ignore his sad ass

Mibu_Kyoshiro
September 28th, 2004, 11:59 PM
What do you all think about Roland's ending? What was critical about the when he was sent to? and why did ka change that he had the horn?

I, for one, finished the book earlier today. The saddest part to me was the way Oy just seemed to give up on living when Jake (Ake!) died. Then, as Susannah was leaving and she was thinking that Oy had almost forgotten Jake. Sad stuff.

Ladywriter
September 29th, 2004, 08:08 AM
I think in some ways Roland "got what he desereved" that is to say he has to pay for his (often brutal) obsession with the Tower. I think we see this particular loop because this loop is where the change withen Roland happens, but it happens a little too late in the game for him to break the cycle. However; because he made those changes withen himself Gan gave him the horn of Eld. I think sounding the horn at the foot of the Tower will change what lies withen. I like to think that when he reaches the Tower next time this hell he is trapped in will let him go.
I was crushed when Jake died. He was my favorite :( When Oy said goodby... I!Ake! ..man... I burst into tears all over again! It seems like everyone but Oy seemed to die in vain. That just drives home the point that shit happens. The scene with Roland holding Oy... more tears do ya ken? Super Duper Delux sad story :(

Ladywriter
September 29th, 2004, 08:26 AM
What was critical about the when he was sent to? whoops missed this question... still early yo :meh:
I think he goes back to the desert so he is given another chance to this time not drop the boy, but cherish him :( I think even if Roland hadnt let Jake fall he woulda caught up to the mib anyway.and still found the doors on the beach in all likelyhood too. Flagg honestly wasnt that far ahead of Roland. He woulda caught up to his sneeky ass sooner or later (its all about time :p ) Maybe Jake wasnt so much a tarot card as he was a wild card. its Jake that turns Rolands heart back into a living thing instead of coal. Its for Jake Roland would have died/gave up the Tower for.
Damn you Stephen King's hip! :x

Ladywriter
September 29th, 2004, 09:20 AM
I just thought I would throw some stuff out there in reguards to the choices made durring this quest.

SoS pg 285
"But then you changed.Right under my hand. It got so I couldnt tell if you were the hero, the antihero, or not a hero at all. When you let that kid drop, that was the capper."
"You said you made me do that."
Looking Roland straight in the eyes - blue meeting blue amid the endless choir of voices - King said: "I lied, brother."
The writer realized on some level that he wasnt just 'writing a story', more like channeling it. he did not make Roland drop Jake, Roland did that of his own accord. I think this is a huge part of the reason when he loops its right before the waystation. he is given a "son" to love and protect. A 2nd chance at what he lost in Mejis. And this story is all about second chances and being given harsh choices, do ya ken?
How many times has Roland drawn THE PRISONER, THE LADY OF THE SHADOWS,and THE BOY ? They may not be our Eddie, Suz, and Jake every single time, but I think the choices Roland and his drawn ka tet face are mostly the same.
thoughts?

Ladywriter
September 30th, 2004, 10:11 AM
heres that thing you were lookin for woman. this guys post summed it all up in one neat lil package.



[pissed fan]What I got from the whole 'snippy' bit was this: SK knew that the ending was crappy. He warns us in advance it's crappy, but instead of just saying it's crappy, he further goes and blames it on US. pissed fan]

Stephen King is not an all knowing all seeing god. Not even in his own stories. Hes not a super computer either. He fucks up. Dont you? He spent over a year with Roland and co finishing the story. I dont think he rushed to finish the story, I think he might have got a tad obsessed to just write the entire ending and tell the publisher to figure out where to break it up :laugh: but I think he genuinely wanted to see the end and to share it with fans loyal to the series.
Being just a man, the guy's got feelings *gasp*. He's known how it was s'posed to end from the beginning. Think about this if you will please. How much did it hurt you when Jake died?
In the Gunslinger (revised or original) it was Roland that got Jake killed. In the Dark Tower, he dies for Stephen King. We all know how King loves the kids in his stories. He made it a little more personal when it came to Jakes time. If it hurt you just to read it, how do you think he felt writing it? The writer gets up and backs off.... Guilt? Loss? Hope that Roland will take this chance to do things right this time?
I don't think he wanted to "off" anybody, but it had to be this way. Maybe thats why PD in Insomnia was s'posed to save 2 men. Roland and Eddie or Jake (Jake would be my assumption). The Tower bleeds into other stories...
I think the end was just a bitter pill for him to swallow as it was for Roland or for many of us. I think that's why he takes the time to say do what ya gotta do but yer on yer own. He never promised a happy ending. I think he wanted a happy ending so badly himself he wrote the epilouge, a version of his happy ending. An ending that even defies his own 'laws of nature' or whatever by putting someone who died in the Keystone world into the mix. The Epilouge is where our writers story ends.
I dont think he blames the end on his readers. The books arent about us, they're about Roland. This is the story (song) of Roland. What happens to Roland and to the Dark Tower is up to you now. It's out of King's hands. He showed us his ending and said hey, if you really gotta know... figure it out for yourself.
The last 3 books was a hefty undertaking all in one shot. Stephen King is after all, the a # 1 Tower Junkie is he not? We read the books he spent months living in in such a short time that we only float thru Rolands world for a little while. King kinda lives there part time while he's writing this stuff. And while hes doin his thing writing these books, some people are just assholes. Critics and fans trashin him or his work, bugging the hell out of him with assinine bullshit.
It was a bit of a double edged sword. Making it clear to the asshairs that he doesnt want to be bothered with their petty bullshit. And to the fans, well, if yer just as much of a hardcase as Roland then go for it my stubborn friend.
and do it over again
without my help


thanks Steve :happy:

Fedic
October 8th, 2004, 04:36 PM
Its so odd reading the revised Gunslinger now.....
cue the twilight zone music

Ladywriter
October 9th, 2004, 11:53 AM
i havent started re reading the series yet. I have been cramming short story sessions in my free time. I re-read Rage a few days ago. I also promised Morgans grammy I would read the davinchi code, though its hell and gone from my usual prefered reading material >.<

suprise suprise Ive decided to dedicate some time and space (its all about SIZE anyway) and make me a lil ol DT fan shrine. ya know... highly opnionated gushy fan spew :p so I'll be doin a lotta reading soon enough. Its one of my 'bad weather projects'

Fedic
October 9th, 2004, 07:34 PM
Rage is still off the shelves I think. I'm not positive but I'm pretty sure it was pulled after Colombine wasn't it?
When you get going on the site let me know! I would love to contribute some fan dribble too :happy:

Ladywriter
October 9th, 2004, 08:06 PM
I'm not sure if Rage is still under censor or not. hmm.. something to occupy my mind

Ladywriter
October 9th, 2004, 08:12 PM
from http://portlandme.about.com/library/weekly/aa042299.htmThe day after two high school students opened fire on classmates and teachers, killing at least 15 in Littleton, Colorado, the normally reclusive Stephen King told attendees of the Portland Public Library's Brown Bag Lecture Series that the shootings were a "personal blow to my heart."

King, Maine's famous horror story author, recounted how he was contacted by an FBI agent after a similar tragedy in Paducah, Kentucky when officials found a copy of King's first book, Rage, in the locker of the boy who had shot and killed three girls in his high school. Rage, written while King was a senior in high school and a freshman in college under his Bachman pseudonym, is about a boy who shoots and kills his teacher, holds hostages, and is finally captured and placed in a mental institution. "Rage was involved in writing the book. Writing it was a way of exorcising emotional tumult all kids feel in high school," King said.

Stating that authors have to balance social responsibilities and art, he instructed his publishers to remove Rage from publication because he couldn't live with his conscience if there was a chance that the book had contributed in any way to such a senseless tragedy.

"Again, and again, and again, in these killings, we see access to guns," King stated. "If we're serious about stopping violence in our culture...it has to stop by you people talking to your Congressmen and Senators and telling them 'not one more day will we allow unrestricted access to guns.' If you want your schools to be safe, if you want your streets to be safe, restrict handguns."

Fedic
October 10th, 2004, 01:10 PM
Damn. I didn't even know about the Paducah, Kentucky thing.

Ladywriter
October 14th, 2004, 08:19 PM
Eyes of the Dragon: Currently in production. The story has been optioned by a French production company (WAMC Entertainment). This will be an animated feature and there is no release date set

Sledgstone
October 14th, 2004, 08:45 PM
Eyes of the Dragon: Currently in production. The story has been optioned by a French production company (WAMC Entertainment). This will be an animated feature and there is no release date set
O_o i don't know if an "animated feature" sounds all to good to me.. especially from a french company.

Ladywriter
October 14th, 2004, 08:55 PM
my understanding is that it was going to be j.anime style. We'll see

Fedic
October 14th, 2004, 10:52 PM
I thought i read somewhere that Desperation will be doing some shooting in Az next month?

Ladywriter
October 15th, 2004, 07:50 AM
http://www.tucsoncitizen.com/index.php?page=local& story_id=100604a1_movieshoot

The "Desperation" crew will be at TCC from Oct. 25 to Dec. 17 with the filming window between Dec. 1 and 14.
:happy:

Sledgstone
October 15th, 2004, 09:06 PM
i hope to god they do a good job. and it better be rated R!

Ladywriter
October 16th, 2004, 02:39 PM
I think its a miniseries *sigh*

Fedic
October 17th, 2004, 02:17 AM
Desperation was a great book. I hope they dont take out too much of the gore putting it on film.

Ladywriter
October 18th, 2004, 11:04 PM
me too. It was one of my favorite books. Definatly in the top 10.

Fedic
October 21st, 2004, 10:01 AM
books like Cujo and Desperation; those middle of nowhere and here comes the scary, scare me the most.
The Girl who loved Tom Gordon
When she got up and saw the path beaten around the truck from something circling her all night. O_O Overall it wasnt a scary book, but that part made me cold.

Ladywriter
October 22nd, 2004, 08:09 AM
that gave me the creeps too. The whole God of the Lost thing *shudder*

Sabe
October 22nd, 2004, 08:22 AM
Okay, I have yet to read the rest of the story, but I was looking at some of the spoilers, and there was a name brought up that made me curious: Flagg. Is this the same man found in The Stand, or is it a coinky-dink? Is the man referred to here, The Walking Man?

Ladywriter
October 22nd, 2004, 06:01 PM
The Walkin Dude, The Man in Black, RF is Flagg. He has a lot of identitys,but yes, DT Flag = The Stand Flagg

Fedic
October 26th, 2004, 11:02 PM
How many of the Dark Tower books have you read Sabe?

Sabe
October 27th, 2004, 04:54 AM
I finally got ahold of the third one yesterday, and I'm about a 1/4 of the way through it. -_-;My library finally ordered in the rest of the series, so I have the others on hold for me until I can go pick them up. Man this is gonna be good!

Ladywriter
October 27th, 2004, 09:02 AM
The Waste Lands is my absolute favorite Dark Tower book. The character devolopment is so awsome. Jake is my buddy and probably my fav King character. I love the way King handled the paradox at the beginning of the book. Roland and Jake going insaine. I loved the fact that they needed each other to be complete. I think Roland really changed a lot as a person in this book. He starts to re-arrange his prioritys.

Fedic
October 27th, 2004, 09:47 PM
I didnt want to post this in the Salems Lot topic and scare the straights :p
http://www.ancientclan.com/gallery/data/media/103/SalemsLot_15.jpg
When I first saw this scene I was pleasently suprised. First off, I wasnt expecting them to show this scene on prime time television. Some ppl find this kind of stuff disturbing. The addition to the cross on the dog is a nod to the DT junkies I think. No other reason for it to be there because the dog in the book didnt have it. The dog in The Gunslinger had a cross on him.

http://www.ancientclan.com/gallery/data/media/103/SalemsLot_4.jpg
Ben and Callahan go out the window. That didn't happen in the book. At least, not 'Salem's Lot. We do hear Callahan tell the story of how he leapt from a window to his "death", but that was in Wolves of the Calla. Another nod to the Tower Junkies :happy:

Fedic
October 27th, 2004, 09:56 PM
from the archived topic

http://live.quizilla.com/user_images/S/ SaltnSnail/1068005275_sEddiecopy.jpg

You are Eddie! Eddie is often called the ka-mai, or destiny's fool, by Roland, and to others it may seem as if you are shallow and silly. But you actually have a better understanding of what is going on then most, and hide your deep feelings with humor. As long as you learn to keep your jokes appropriate...

Sledgstone
October 27th, 2004, 09:57 PM
don't forget near the end when barlow died.. the eye of the king was shown. ^_~

*notices theres no screen shot of that* :p

Ladywriter
October 28th, 2004, 07:53 AM
I thought the gallery was fat enuff, and some things are better left a mystery until ya watch the flick. :meh:

Fedic
October 31st, 2004, 11:12 AM
where the hell is my book???
can someone look up Barlow's death and the ring thing?

Ladywriter
October 31st, 2004, 12:19 PM
Ring reference from 'Salem's Lot:

The fingernails went black and fell off, and there were only bones, still dressed with rings,clicking and clenching like castanets.

____
and just for fun
http://www.bangornews.com/editorialnews/article.cfm?ID=440473

Ladywriter
October 31st, 2004, 12:36 PM
http://www.bordersstores.com/features/feature.jsp?file=stephenking


Stephen King's Favored Child:
The Dark Tower Series Is Finally Finished


Conducted by Trudy Wyss

http://www.bordersstores.com/data/bstores/features/images/stephenking.jpg Most people who've read Stephen King have read at least one of his stand-alone novels, like Christine (http://www.bordersstores.com/search/title_detail.jsp?id=2805924), The Shining (http://www.bordersstores.com/search/title_detail.jsp?id=52161980), or Bag of Bones (http://www.bordersstores.com/search/title_detail.jsp?id=51158878). But hardcore King fans know that to truly understand the world's best-selling novelist, one must read the Dark Tower series, King's purest foray into the world of fantasy and, in his eyes, his most important work. The series refers to many of King's other books: The Stand (http://www.bordersstores.com/search/title_detail.jsp?id=2806590), The Eyes of the Dragon (http://www.bordersstores.com/search/title_detail.jsp?id=2806374), Salem's Lot (http://www.bordersstores.com/search/title_detail.jsp?id=51398817), Insomnia (http://www.bordersstores.com/search/title_detail.jsp?id=2807639), and others. Fans have been pestering King for years to finish this series, and he's finally done it. Books five and six, Wolves of the Calla (http://www.bordersstores.com/search/title_detail.jsp?id=53741506) and Song of Susannah (http://www.bordersstores.com/search/title_detail.jsp?id=54190829), came out in the last year, along with new hardcover and paperback editions of books one through four. King rewrote the first book, The Gunslinger (http://www.bordersstores.com/search/title_detail.jsp?id=53597103), and provided a new introduction to run in books two through four: The Drawing of the Three (http://www.bordersstores.com/search/title_detail.jsp?id=53597104), The Waste Lands (http://www.bordersstores.com/search/title_detail.jsp?id=53597105), and Wizard and Glass (http://www.bordersstores.com/search/title_detail.jsp?id=53597106). The Dark Tower (http://www.bordersstores.com/search/title_detail.jsp?id=54283827) is the last novel of the series and arrives in September.





Why is this series so important to you?

Stephen King: Well, it's the longest-running series; that's one reason. It started when I was in college. I wrote the first chapters of The Gunslinger on a ream of paper that I got from the library where I worked. At that time in my life, I was such a dedicated writer that I just couldn't stand to see a ream of blank paper, and I wanted to write something. I'd been thinking for a long time that I would like to write a big fantasy; I was very much influenced by The Lord of the Rings (http://www.bordersstores.com/search/title_detail.jsp?id=53232204). Somebody was saying to me the other day that young people, the people who love the movies, it's almost as though they don't realize that this has already had one run at fame, you know, in the '60s when hippies went around calling themselves Frodo and Sam and stuff like that.

Were you one of those people?

SK: I never called myself Frodo and I never thought of myself as a hippie; but, yeah, I guess I sort of was into peace, love, understanding, and all that. But what I didn't want to do was to go in and start something that would be almost a copy of The Lord of the Rings. One thing that I promised myself was that I would stop the minute an elf showed up in my book. So I waited until I had an idea that was a little bit different, and it was clearly something that was too big for me at that time. But I did as much as I could, and I went back to work on it again when I was about 25. The thing just never let me go.

So the import of this series has to do with the length of it and realizing that I'm not getting any younger and not wanting the series to wind up in the unfinished books like The Mystery of Edwin Drood (http://www.bordersstores.com/search/title_detail.jsp?id=52992427) or The Canterbury Tales (http://www.bordersstores.com/search/title_detail.jsp?id=53390767) or something like that. The other thing was that it had this big ambition. It was actually supposed to be a novel about everything: that explains existence itself.

Why do you think your other books are read more than the Dark Tower books are?

SK: I think there are a lot of people out there who respond, in the other books, to the idea of supernatural or fantasy elements when they're wedded closely to reality. I really think that's been a lot of the success of books like The Dead Zone (http://www.bordersstores.com/search/title_detail.jsp?id=2805567). A book like Misery (http://www.bordersstores.com/search/title_detail.jsp?id=2806589) really isn't a supernatural novel at all, or Gerald's Game (http://www.bordersstores.com/search/title_detail.jsp?id=2807065). But with fantasy, you have a certain hardcore audience that's very, very dedicated and a lot of other people just say, "Well, I'm not sure that this is going to be my cup of tea."

You rewrote The Gunslinger. How extensively?

SK: It's pretty extensive, but it doesn't change the plot in any real, substantive way because there are six other books that come after it, so it's kind of locked in place in terms of the things that happen in the plot. But it was written by a very young man, and I wanted to loosen it up and make it more accessible for readers. Once you get into the story, I think that it's very interesting and most people who read the books get fascinated and want more. But that first book, as short as it is, is a little bit difficult, because the guy who wrote it was only 22 years old. I was fairly pretentious. I wanted to write something that was very literary. I was concerned with that to a greater degree than I am now. And so whenever I read it over I'd kind of wince at how hard I was trying. Eventually all the Dark Tower books will be rewritten.

Oh, really?

SK: Yeah, I think so. The same way that if you finished a novel in first or second draft, you'd want to redo it and polish it and make it shine. But I really want people to read the new volumes, five, six, and seven, because I worked hard on all of them and because the thing is finally done. But if you're going to have people read the whole thing, it's very important to get them in at the beginning. So Viking and Scribner are collaborating on this publicity campaign, and that's a story in itself. That's like getting Spiderman and Superman together to do something, and the publicity line that they decided on was, "The end is near; start at the beginning." And I'm just trying to make it easier for people to start at the beginning.

So this is kind of a luxury you have, as a very famous writer, to be able to rewrite your work and have people be interested in reading new drafts of the same book. I'm thinking of The Stand also.

SK: It is nice. I think that a lot of writers would like to have the luxury. But it's really no different than say if you got a DVD, you might get the director's cut. But in the case of the Dark Tower, it actually seemed not so much like a luxury, to me at least, but like a real necessity, to say, "Let's make this book more readable; let's make it more exciting; let's pick up the pace a little bit and really try to draw readers in."

Iíve heard that you said the last Dark Tower novel would be your final novel.

SK: Well, I never exactly said that. I did an interview with the Los Angeles Times where the lady said, "What comes after the Dark Tower?" And I said, "I donít really know if anything comes after the Dark Tower because it ties everything up in a neat bow." This lady jumped from that to the idea that I was retiring. At this point I can't see what comes next, but writing these books was very, very difficult and it wore me out. So the lady got me at a time when retirement seemed like the best idea in the world. But since then I've gotten a lot of letters from people who are clearly upset at the idea, and they're saying, "Please donít do that. We want some more to read, if you're healthy and everything." So I just don't know. I don't want to go back and repeat myself and tell stories that I've told before and just change the names of the characters. But I really don't know what comes next.

Can you imagine life without writing?

SK: No, I never could. What I've been doing since I finished the Dark Tower books is writing short stories, and I've sold a couple of them. A couple of them are sitting in the drawer of my desk, but that's fine, too. You know, if they don't sell I still get up in the morningóafter 35, 36 years of the same routineógo to the word processor and sit down. Not writing would be like going the rest of your life without having dreams.

Talk about Randall Flagg a little bit. Is he your favorite of all villains?

SK: He's the one that I keep coming back to. Of course, he's in the Dark Tower books. He always appears under different names, but you can always tell who he is because the initials are the same: R.F. He's sort of the way that I sum up all the things that I think about evil: somebody who's very charismatic, laughs a lot, tremendously attractive to men and women both, and somebody who just appeals to the worst in all of us. His face changes, of course. He may look like Tony Curtis to me and he might look like Justin Timberlake to some little teeny-bopper and he might look like somebody else to you, but whatever it is, he's saying the same thing: "I know all the things that you want and I can give them to you and all you have to do is give me your soul, which really isn't worth that much anyway."

So he first came to you when you wrote The Gunslinger?

SK: Actually, Flagg came to me when I wrote a poem called "The Dark Man" when I was a junior or senior in college. It came to me out of nowhere, this guy in cowboy boots who moved around on the roads, mostly hitchhiking at night, always wore jeans and a denim jacket. I wrote this poem, and it was basically just a page long. I was in the college restaurant, only "restaurant" is too grand a word (it was like a grease pit basically). I wrote the poem on the back of a placemat. It was published, as a matter of fact, but that idea of the guy never left my mind. The thing about him that really attracted me was the idea of the villain as somebody who was always on the outside looking in and hated people who had good fellowship and good conversation and friends. So, yeah, he was there, really, from the beginning of my writing career. He's always been around.

So you've had a lifelong relationship. SK: I've had a lifelong relationship with Randall Flagg; that's right. He's probably all the worst things that are in me. The great thing about writing is that you can do that. You can do all these antisocial things and you get paid for them and nobody ever arrests you because they're all make-believe. Then that way if you were actually ever driven to do any of those things, the pressure's off because you'd have already written them down. It's therapy.

Ladywriter
November 1st, 2004, 04:39 PM
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6934054443
O_O the bid is already over 3large

Fedic
November 1st, 2004, 10:52 PM
drool... slobber...
damnit why can't I be rich :(

Ladywriter
November 2nd, 2004, 12:13 AM
look at it :drool:

Ladywriter
November 2nd, 2004, 12:59 AM
Dark rider

Stephen King has made millions from horror stories and been honoured by America's literary establishment. Having beaten drug and alcohol addiction, in 1999 he was almost killed in a road accident near his home in Maine. Now 56, he has concluded the seven-volume fantasy series that was his greatest ambition. His next project is to help the Democrats win Florida

Stuart Jeffries
Saturday September 18, 2004
The Guardian (http://www.guardian.co.uk/)


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Stephen King: one man horror brand

Stephen King pulls up on a red Harley Davidson Heritage Softail and removes his rather geeky helmet. He's early for his appointment to be photographed at his office in a bleak industrial estate in Bangor, Maine. The bike is improperly pristine and there are only 10,589 miles on the clock, most of them accumulated when he rode from Maine to California in the mid-90s on a book tour to promote his novel Insomnia (1994). "I haven't ridden this thing for five years, since the accident," he says, gingerly lifting his injured leg over the saddle. King has the stiff gait of an older man (he's 56) and the diffident stoop of a too-tall adolescent (he's 6'4"). "I haven't ridden it because I have trouble working the brake with my right leg. Today, though, I thought I'd give it a try."


King rummages in his saddle bag. "I haven't looked in here for five years," he says, producing a bin bag from its interior. "What's in here? Body parts, I guess. That's what you'd expect me to say." In fact, it contains waterproofs.

The accident happened on June 19 1999. King was strolling alongside Route 5 near his home in Bangor and looking forward to seeing a film with his family later that evening. As he walked, a Dodge truck barrelled towards him. It was driven by Bryan Smith, a drug user with multiple driving convictions. A Rottweiler called Bullet was loose in the truck and had jumped on to a seat where there was a cooler of hamburger meat Smith had bought for a barbecue. Smith became distracted by his dog, swerved across the highway and hit King. The writer managed to turn his head a little before impact and thus missed being struck by a steel support post on the truck that would probably have killed him.



King's head left a many-tentacled crack in the windscreen. He broke his right hip joint, four ribs and his right leg in nine places. His spine was damaged in eight places. "The accident gave me a real sense of mortality, a sense of hurry that I didn't have before. Not immediately, but about a year after the accident I was able to say: 'That guy nearly killed me.'" Smith died of an overdose 15 months later on September 21, King's birthday.

As her husband lay in hospital, Tabitha King, who is also a writer, bought the battered truck, not - as many stories have had it - so he could later beat it with a baseball bat, but because at that stage, she was convinced he would die in hospital and didn't want it to wind up on eBay billed as the vehicle that killed America's most popular novelist. During the past five years, during which King has given few interviews - he has not talked to a British newspaper since 2000 - he has revisited the accident obsessively in his fiction. In the novel Dreamcatcher (2001), a character suffers an accident reminiscent of King's. In the recent TV series Kingdom Hospital, freely adapted by King from a Danish TV hospital series by Lars von Trier, a writer is run down by a truck in the opening episode and, after being saved from death by a computer-generated ant-eater, spends much of the rest of the series in a coma. From A Buick 8 (2002), about a seemingly haunted car, includes a scene in which a state trooper is killed in a car accident, and his e-novella - the first e-book to receive 500,000 downloads - was called Riding the Bullet (1999), and was about a hitcher on a lonely road who takes the wrong ride. But the most sustained re-imagining of the crash comes in King's latest book, The Dark Tower, the seventh and final volume of his epic fantasy sequence The Dark Tower.

"At first after it happened, I'd say: 'Really, my hip got broken and my leg got shattered, but I was never in danger.' In a sense that was true, but if he had hit me a little bit more to one side, I would have been paralysed, and three or four miles an hour faster and I would have been killed. It took me a little while to really face that." King has written that he didn't want to die like Chaucer or Dickens. He didn't want to leave this world with his equivalent of The Canterbury Tales or The Mystery of Edwin Drood unfinished. By his reckoning, after the accident, he had three books to write to get his 1,000-year-old gunslinging hero Roland Deschain to the Dark Tower and penetrate its manifold mysteries. "I decided that I wanted to finish it. I wanted to be true to the 22-year-old who wanted to write the longest popular novel of all time. And I did: it's 2,500 pages long, maybe longer. I knew it was going to be like crossing the Atlantic in a bathtub. I thought I'm just going to keep on working, because if I stop I'll never start again."

King began the series in 1970 aged 22 with The Gunslinger (which appeared in magazines, but was only published as a novel in 1982), inspired in part by a vision of mapping the fantasy quest of Tolkien's Lord of the Rings on to the epic landscape and six-shooter etiquette of Sergio Leone's spaghetti westerns. Over the years, as his fame grew with such extremely popular novels as Carrie (1974), The Shining (1977), The Stand (1978), IT (1986) and Misery (1987), a shadow rose behind those books. It was The Dark Tower, a gathering Manichean epic about a gang of time-travelling questers drawn from different places and times. As the novels piled up, the object of Roland's quest became clearer - to save the world from evil in an apocalyptic milieu called End-Time where the Dark Tower is located. It was a series read mainly by King's existing fans, but one to which he would return every few years, to add another doorstop of imaginative, densely interwoven text. So far King has sold three million Dark Tower books. While such figures do not compare well with the tens of millions achieved by his horror novels, now that the series is finished, King suspects things will change: "I sorta hope that now the books are done people will feel it's safe to read them. Maybe the word of mouth will be good."

The initial spur for the sequence was Robert Browning's 34-stanza poem "Childe Roland to the Dark Tower Came" - even though neither King nor its author knew what Childe Roland's quest amounted to. "Browning's poem was like Coleridge's 'Kubla Khan' - it came to him in a dream. He woke up, wrote the poem and people said to him 'What does it mean?' and he said 'I don't know.' I've read that poem many times over the years and I still don't know what it means."

King's Roland is a more optimistic American creation, a can-do gunslinger, the object of whose quest retreats not into depressing obscurity, but becomes clearer and more laden with symbolic import as he gets closer to it. He's a man who shoots first and asks questions hardly ever. And yet women want him and men - at least men like Stephen King - want to be like him: "I had a myth in mind when I started of the strong, silent stranger, the outlander who wants to do good. I think a lot of it for me just comes out of the - I don't know how to pronounce this word - iconography of heroes. Somebody who's brave and unbending."

So unbending is Roland in his quest that in the first novel he deserts a child called Jake, allowing him to fall to his death rather than deflect Roland from his grander mission. There is a biographical resonance here: King's father went out for a packet of cigarettes when the writer was two and never came back. In The Dark Tower, Roland regularly exhorts his assembled gang-members: "Do not forget the face of your father," as though doing the right thing consisted of fidelity to one's father's memory. This seems an odd expression for King to have devised, not least because so often in his fiction we come across abandoned children who have to forget the faces of their useless fathers (and mothers) to flourish independently. "That expression came from nowhere," King says. "But it makes sense to me because I live in a patriarchal society where you have the Big White Daddy in the White House. Which is amusing because I was raised by women, my mother and her sister. My father deserted, sure. But don't go making anything Freudian about that."

In his memoir, On Writing (2000), King recalls that, after his father left, he "lived an odd, herky-jerky childhood, raised by a single parent who moved around a lot". When, after much wandering, the family finally settled back in Durham, Maine, he explored a relative's attic and found a collection of his father's things, including an anthology of HP Lovecraft horror stories. "That book, courtesy of my departed father," wrote King in Danse Macabre (1980), "was my first taste of a world that went deeper than the B-pictures that played at the movies on Saturday afternoon." He wrote his first horror story aged seven, and later acquired an Underwood typewriter whose letters kept breaking. Like Paul Sheldon, the novelist in Misery, he had to fill in some of the letters by hand.

At high school, his first published story, "I Was a Teenage Grave Robber", appeared in Comics Review. After graduating, he wrote Getting It On, a novel he later published under the pseudonym Richard Bachman as Rage (1977). The story dealt with an outsider who holds a high-school class hostage. After shootings such as the one at Columbine High School, King withdrew the book from publication. He continued to write at the University of Maine, where he had arrived in 1966 with a bumper sticker for Republican Barry Goldwater on his car. But student protests against the Vietnam war radicalised King: he sold his car, grew his hair to his shoulders and put a sticker on his backpack saying "Richard Nixon is a War Criminal".

At the time, he also played guitar in coffee houses, steeping himself in protest music. "I played a lot of folk music in the 60s - Dylan, Donovan, Dave van Ronk, Phil Ochs - that's where I picked up what chops I have." King still plays guitar and sings. For the past decade he has played in the Rock Bottom Remainders, a writers' band featuring Miami Herald humourist Dave Barry, novelists Barbara Kingsolver, Scott Turow and Amy Tan, and Simpsons creator Matt Groening. Once they went on tour with Warren Zevon, who insisted King sing his tune, "Werewolves of London". "I was shy to do it because he wrote the song. He took me aside and said: 'It would be the apex of my career', and he was not kidding. So I did it." It's a song for a horror writer to sing, with a memorable howling chorus, "Aah-woo, werewolves of London", and such couplets as, "He's the hairy-handed gent who ran amuck in Kent".

At college, King supported himself by working in the library. He started to write the first story in The Dark Tower series on coloured library paper. He met his future wife, Tabitha, while in the stacks. She was attracted to him, but amazed at his poverty: "He had nothing to eat, he had no money, he had no clothes," she says. "It was just incredible that anybody was going to school under those circumstances, and even more incredible that he didn't care." She married him shortly after they graduated.

Unable to find a high-school teaching job after college, King earned occasional payments from men's magazines for short stories, while working at an industrial laundry washing table linen from Maine's lobster joints ("The maggots would try to crawl up your arms as you loaded the washers; it was as if the little fuckers knew you were planning to cook them," he wrote).

He and his wife were living in a trailer with two kids when his first novel was rejected by Doubleday, disappointing King and prompting him to take a $6,400 teaching job. As he taught, he began a short story called "Carrie" - about a high-school misfit with a repressed religious mother, who discovers she has telekinetic powers and uses them to wreak bloody revenge in the story's prom night denouement. But he threw the manuscript in the bin because he thought the opening women's shower scene unrealistic. Tabitha retrieved it and persuaded him to continue.

Doubleday bought the hardback rights for $2,400; but the King family's fortunes rocketed when he was paid $400,000 for the paperback rights by New American Library. He used some of that money to pay for medical bills for his mother, who was dying of uterine cancer. In February 1974, he gave the eulogy at her funeral. "I think I did a pretty good job," he wrote, "considering how drunk I was." Years later he wrote Dolores Claiborne (1992), about a tough Maine woman and her ungrateful daughter, partly in homage to his mother.

Ladywriter
November 2nd, 2004, 01:00 AM
King had been drinking hard for the best part of a decade by the time his mother died and he continued to do so as his literary success grew with books such as the vampire novel Salem's Lot (1974) and The Shining. The latter was about a man suffering from writer's block who goes mad and tries to kill his family in a snowbound, haunted hotel. "I was the guy who had written The Shining without realising that I was writing about myself." For years, he gave himself what he calls "the Hemingway Defence": "As a writer, I am a very sensitive fellow, but I am also a man, and real men don't give in to their sensitivities. Only sissy-men do that. Therefore I drink."

Shortly after the publication of The Tommyknockers (1987), though, King's family and friends organised an intervention, dumping his rubbish on the rug in front of him to show him the evidence of his addictions. It included beer cans, cigarette butts, traces of cocaine, Xanax, Valium, NyQuil.

With The Shining, filmed by Stanley Kubrick in 1980, Stephen King became a brand whose name could sell a book. Film deals also contributed to his rapidly increasing wealth. With so many different publishers, and editions of his novels in print in many different languages all over the world, it is impossible to calculate how many Stephen King books have been sold. But in 1998 he was widely reported to have earned $40 million.

King is fiercely critical of the film of The Shining ("It's not scary at all. Jack Nicholson basically fell back on character tics he developed on American international biker pictures 10 years before. The guy's crazy when you meet him so there's no arc of character development") and adapted the novel himself as a less successful TV movie. But the novel also gave him literary clout. Professor Michael Collings, of Pepperdine College, Malibu, one of King's most sensitive critics, says: "The Shining probably has the best chance of his books to date of surviving the ages. It tells a good story, and tells it in strong, memorable images. It incorporates his trademark horror, but in a rather restrained way. And it is literary."

King was equally unimpressed by the film version of The Running Man (1987), starring Arnold Schwarzenegger. "The main character in the novel was this pre-tubercular guy who'd got radiation poisoning from working in a factory. Nothing like pumped-up Arnie." The plot features a reality game show in which participants are hunted, and earlier this year TV executives asked King if they could make it into a topical satire of reality TV. "And I'm like 'Sure, but you've got to film the ending.' The ending is a guy hijacks a jet and flies it into a skyscraper killing everybody. The guy does it because he perceives everybody in the skyscrapers as agents of the great satan. The execs lost interest pretty quickly."

But in general, King says, "I think I've been well served by movies adaptations of my work." Frank Darabont, who adapted two of King's most humane fictions, The Shawshank Redemption (1994) and The Green Mile (1999), into two extraordinarily successful films, says: "I've always been drawn to his voice as an author. To me he's up there with Dickens, who was a great populist storyteller. Dickens was a bleeding heart for humanism. Now people are catching on to the fact that King is very much more like that than they thought." David Cronenberg, who directed an adaptation of The Dead Zone (1983), is another admirer: "Stephen King has said he is the Big Mac of literature, and I think he's right. He taps into a mass pulse and that's his strength. He takes people along a path they would not normally go. A lot of people. That restricts what he can do, as well. But in his case that's not a restriction; that is the ideal. He's doing exactly what he wants to do, and is an absolutely pure and integrated artist."

King lives up to his horror-brand status, ringing his house in Bangor (a building redolent of Norman Bates's family home in Psycho ) with fences decorated with spiders webs, bats and gargoyles. The fence partly went up to give King privacy from the fans with whom he has an intriguing relationship. In Misery, a bestselling novelist winds up strapped to a bed by an obsessed fan, furious at him for killing off a beloved fictional heroine (the eponymous Misery), who finally shatters his legs with a hammer. The message seems clear: readers can be a nuisance. King makes this point when he explains how The Dark Tower series ends. "No matter how it ended people were going to be pissed off with me. Nothing will make them happy!" On the King website message board most correspondence has been from fans irritated that King plumped for that post-modern device of introducing himself as a character in the sixth volume. "They always accuse me of having done this. And it doesn't matter how many times you say to the readers: 'You don't understand. I didn't do anything. The story did me.' They just don't get it."

But fans' irritation is nothing by comparison with the bile that King attracted last year when he was awarded the National Book Foundation annual medal for distinguished contribution to American letters. Harold Bloom called the decision "a terrible mistake", claiming that King was unfit to join such previous winners as Saul Bellow, Philip Roth, John Updike and Toni Morrison. In the Boston Globe, Bloom argued that the award was "another low in the shocking process of dumbing down our cultural life... He is an immensely inadequate writer on a sentence-by-sentence, paragraph-by-paragraph, book-by-book basis... By awarding it to King they recognise nothing but the commercial value of his books, which sell in the millions but do little more for humanity than keep the publishing world afloat." Bloom says that "the triumph of the genial King is a large emblem of the failures of American education".

King dragged himself from a hospital bed, where he had been suffering from pneumonia, to accept the award, and in his acceptance speech acknowledged that not all of his more than 40 novels, nearly all bestsellers, are literature. "Some are entertainment; some are literature," he said. "Just don't ask me to define literature." He called on the publishing elite to "build bridges between the so-called popular fiction and the so-called literary fiction".

What does King think about that critical dispute now? "In the end what interests me is, say, when you pick up a copy of USA Today and you see To Kill a Mockingbird or Catcher in the Rye pop up on the bestseller lists week after week, year in year out. I've thought a lot about Somerset Maugham lately because he is the person who is closest to me in terms of being extremely popular in his time and in his time achieved a certain amount of literary respectability after a period of being dismissed as a popular novelist. That's happened to me, and for the same reasons - not necessarily because I got any better, but just because I got older. And also because I outlived my worst critics. So I've got a critical reputation - it might not be deserved and in the end it's only time that will tell." How the test of time will apply to The Dark Tower novels is uncertain, but King is hopeful they will join the Lord of the Rings and the Gormenghast trilogy as fantasy fictions of enduring popular appeal.

Is King going to retire now that he has completed a novel sequence that he regards as a summation of all his other works and in which lots of characters from his other books appear? "I'm retiring from all the bullshit. I don't want another book contract." He doesn't plan to work much for the next few months; instead, he's going to campaign for John Kerry in the swing state of Florida. "We're not in good odour with the world under Bush. And it's a shame because we took a bad hit on September 11 and Bush pissed away a lot of goodwill." Kerry, however, doesn't fill him with enthusiasm, not least because King favoured anti-war Democratic candidate Howard Dean.

He has another book written, though he says it's "a mess", and has yet to decide whether anybody else should read it. It is about a writer's widow, and came about when he returned home from his hospitalisation for pneumonia to find his wife redecorating his office. "My wife says to me: 'Don't go in your office'. Like Bluebeard or something. I said 'Why not?' She says: It's just a mess in there and it will really upset you. One night I couldn't sleep and I went out there and she was right - it upset me. The furniture was all gone. The books were off the shelves. Everything was in boxes. It was just like a room that has been cleared out following an old person's death. It got me thinking about my own death and what would happen afterwards."

Why does King write about death so much? "I forget who said this but it's true: all literature is supposed to do is to rehearse us for death. And one of the ways we deal with it is with our imaginations. One of the nice things about fantasy fiction is that it's sometimes possible to have it both ways. In fantasy fiction more than any other we're able in an allegorical way - I don't want to get high-blown about this - we're able to deal with death. In fantasy fiction when characters return as ghosts they just come back in a different form. That's a masked way of saying life continues."

On the last page of The Dark Tower, he writes: "I never worked harder on a project in my life, and I know - none better, alas - that it has not been entirely successful." Now he has completed his personal equivalent to The Canterbury Tales and The Mystery of Edwin Drood, can he die fulfilled? "It's always the way. I know what I wanted to achieve and not all of it is on the page. That's the writer's torment." So why continue the torment? "Let's not go crazy. It's just such a buzz to write. While I'm doing it, there's nothing better in life. It's what I was made to do.

"I'm terrifically lucky. Because besides the writing I'm married to a woman I love, I've got three children who are good - they aren't in jail. None of them is addicted to anything. Three grandchildren. I've been addicted to cocaine and pain killers and I'm not any more - well, I'm still addicted but I don't use them. Don't drink any more. Plus, I'm one in a million - I got a talent nobody else has. That's why they pay me the big bucks."

Stephen King


Born: September 21 1947, Portland, Maine.

Education: 1966 Lisbon Falls High School; '70 BA in English and teaching certificate, University of Maine, Orono.

Family: 1971 Tabitha Spruce. Three children: Naomi Rachel, Joe Hill, Owen Philip.

Some books: 1974 Carrie; '75 Salem's Lot; '77 The Shining, Rage (as Richard Bachman); '78 The Stand; '79 The Dead Zone; '81 Cujo; '82 The Running Man (as Bachman); '83 Christine; '86 IT; '87 Misery; '91 Needful Things; '92 Gerald's Game; '92 Dolores Claiborne; '94 Insomnia; '96 The Green Mile; '98 Bag of Bones; 2000 On Writing: A Memoir of the Craft; '01 Dreamcatcher; '02 Everything's Eventual (short story collection), From a Buick 8.

The Dark Tower series: 1982 The Gunslinger; '87 The Drawing of the Three; '91 The Wastelands; '97 Wizard and Glass; 2003 Wolves of the Calla; '04 Song of Susannah; '04 The Dark Tower. Award: 2003National Book Foundation Medal for Distinguished Contribution to American Letters.
http://books.guardian.co.uk/departments/crime/story/0,6000,1306991,00.html


I thought this was a great interview :happy:

Ladywriter
November 2nd, 2004, 08:59 PM
I'm in an It mood now so...
He had raced to beat the devil that day, oh yeah, for sure, don't you just know it. Some devil with eyes as shiny as old deadly coins. Some hairy old devil with a mouthful of bloody teeth.
Bill Denbrough Beats the Devil (I)
June of 1958

Fedic
November 9th, 2004, 05:33 PM
I see you've been buttering Bev up Lady X'D

Ladywriter
November 10th, 2004, 08:55 AM
Bev is a really super nice guy. :happy:
I'm a little past the 1/2 way point in The Road to the Dark Tower. The book is a great source of information and it's presented in a very reader friendly way. I was really impressed and touched by the way he handled book 7 and the ending of the series. I most definatly would (and will) reccomend his book to King's readers and my fellow Tower Junkies.

Here is Bev's page about the book http://www.bevvincent.com/DarkTower.html
And what did Steven King say about the book?
"This wonderful book by Bev Vincent opens doors to Roland's world that not
even I knew existed. If you like The Dark Tower books, you'll like this one.
Enthusiastically recommended."
Stephen King

I thought an interview w/ Bev would be awsome for the Dark Tower site I'm working on. I have some questions for him already :happy: I'll link back to his site and hopefully it will convince my fellow fans to check out The Road to the Dark Tower . Bev really knows his stuff and it shows :happy:

Sledgstone
November 10th, 2004, 09:24 PM
excellent. i bet that interview will turn out nice. :tup:

i'm still reading the dark tower VII. this is sad. :(

Fedic
November 11th, 2004, 10:00 PM
If you think you're stressin over it now, just wait till it's all over

Ladywriter
November 12th, 2004, 01:31 PM
rumors are flying around that they have scrapped the Tailsman movie. Not suprising seeing as how they couldnt come up with a decent script -_-;

Ladywriter
November 12th, 2004, 02:47 PM
I got off me lazy ass and sent my questions to Bev :p
Definatly excited to hear what Bev's got to say ^___^

Ladywriter
November 15th, 2004, 07:58 PM
my Cujo dvd came 2day :happy: can you say gallery? mwahahaha!

Fedic
November 16th, 2004, 12:49 PM
The last 10 minutes or so of Cujo are the most dramatic I have ever seen in any movie ever. Dee Wallace did an amazing job as Donna. She really brought the movie to life.
http://www.ancientclan.com/gallery/data/media/104/CUJO25.jpg

Ladywriter
November 17th, 2004, 08:29 AM
Sledge n I were watchin some of the different scenes last night. Someboy got scared :p
Next time we watch Cujo sledge has to have a yardstick handy X'D

Ladywriter
November 18th, 2004, 09:21 AM
Hi my name is *

Iíve been a Tower Junkie since *

My first King book was *

Iíve read it * times

My favorite King Books are **

Iíve read them ** times

I have * hardbound Stephen King books and * paperback novels.

My copy of * has been read the most.

I read * King books a year.

Did you have to get up to look at your books to answer any of the questions above? Why?


Hi my name is *Lady

Iíve been a Tower Junkie since '89

My first King book was The Tailsman with Peter Straubb and then It
Iíve read it The Tailsman-6 or 8 It-8 or 10 times
My favorite King Books are The Wastelands and It
Iíve read them combined about 30 times
I have 23 hardbound Stephen King books and 27 paperback novels.

My copy of It/The Wastelands has been read the most.

I read 10ish short stories and 6 to 8or 10 King books a year.

Did you have to get up to look at your books to answer any of the questions above? yes
Why? because I have books in the bedroom and in the livingroom.

^_^;

Ladywriter
November 22nd, 2004, 07:27 PM
Stephen King will be on The Today Show (NBC) and The Daily Show w/ John Stewart on December 2nd.
different_seasons (http://thedarktower.net/forums/index.php?showuser=10224) posted some pics he took at the booksigning for TGWLTG. they're here http://thedarktower.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=15800
the first pic, of the 2 of em is hillarious ^_^;

Ladywriter
November 23rd, 2004, 08:31 AM
A Concordance 2 has also been delayed by about a month

Fedic
November 23rd, 2004, 05:43 PM
I hope Matt gets the interview.

Ladywriter
November 24th, 2004, 10:27 AM
I hope so too -_-;
I luv Katie n all.... but she's pretty SK handicap. She knows nothing -_-;

Sledgstone
November 24th, 2004, 09:14 PM
update! only 170 more pages left of the dark tower! ^_^; i'm almost there.. :\

3PO
November 26th, 2004, 01:25 PM
stop now!!! you will only cause yourself pain and grief.... bleh D: I guess I will have to go back and read them all again, though I've read the gunslinger... *counts on fingers.... counts toes* a lot of times. after hating king for a long time, I appreciate his life time of writing. I respect that he has this colossal series that is too big for words. I hated him until amybe a week ago because of the ending.... I guess it was the only way. but roland didn't even see jake die!!!

Sledgstone
November 27th, 2004, 10:52 AM
i figure i'll probably be done reading by next weekend. *prepares for the pain* :\

3PO
December 10th, 2004, 03:33 PM
Finished yet? What did ya think?

Sledgstone
December 11th, 2004, 11:28 AM
i finished it thursday! finally! O_O i was going to hop on here yesterday, but i didn't have the time.. in fact, i still have to go thru this topic and read all those spoiler tags. :sdrop3:

as for how the ending went well.. i came up with a theory:

i was a bit dissapointed with the way the story ended, but after eddie died i didn't care much. -_- i had a feeling it was going to be the ol' loop theory the closer i got to the end mainly because of how often they said "ka is like a wheel" hell, they've been saying it since book 1.

i believe susannah's door lead her to another alternate world (with an infinite amount of worlds its obviously possible that she could go to one with eddie and jake as brothers. its the beam giving her a reward for all her hard work and loss. just as her memories became fragmented and the gun was destroyed when she went thru the door, all things mid-world/roland's world were becoming lost to her. but it was all ok, because the things that mattered were with her now. (btw, its a good thing oy didn't go thru that door. :\ being from mid-world i doubt he would have survived.)

and don't forget that king said they 'did' live and there 'was' happiness. most likely they are at the clearing now enjoying each others company, not waiting for roland.

ok, my theory.

roland opened that door and walked out onto the desert, the cycle repeats.. except this time with a sigul, he has the horn. before that, as he opened the door he thought: how many times have i walked these steps? how many times have i opened this door? but this next time will most likely be his last time. the beam/tower gave him the horn, obviously changing the loop itself.

before the battle of algul seinto (pardon my spelling) they all listened to sheemies dream, which in fact was a dream they all shared. the beam spoke to them. the beam told them that it was almost too late, but not late enough. in the dream the beam looked like a battered child around jake's age. he said that if they were to stop the damage now, he could still heal, in fact heal the others as well, even restore the prim. although he could not regain his looks and the scars would remain, everything would be set right again if they were to stop the breakers and give the beam time to regenerate.

that wasn't exactly how it was stated in the book, but it is the jist of it. basically my theory is this:

think of the beginning, the very first time roland made his adventure. they saved the beam and then he made it to the tower. and thus the loop began. the loop has run for hundreds, thousands, hundreds of thousands, countless millenia? it will loop and keep looping as long as the tower is not ready for him. the beam is healing. from the very beginning, the very first time roland and his tet saved it, the beam has been healing. and its been healing the others.. maybe even restoring the prim. its always easier to break than it is to make. the beams needed time to heal, alot of time (at least thats how we can comprehend it anyway, time). seeing as how the tower and the beams control all of existance and time itself, they have set roland on a loop until every beam is healed and all things are ready. i think by the tower/beams giving him the horn, its a sign (a sigul you could say) that things are coming to an end.

Ladywriter
December 11th, 2004, 02:20 PM
bout time ya finished it!

3PO
December 13th, 2004, 08:56 PM
I always wonder, what if all this thinking we do over the books is worth it. I bet were King to be asked, he would easily explain it. Maybe it isn't as complex as we make it out to be. So now I shall go back and reread them(as soon as I get by loaned ones back, yay for tower junkies!!)

Fedic
December 13th, 2004, 11:25 PM
Yay! You're finally done.
Some interisting stuff to think about, but basically what happens to Roland next is up to the individual. It's out of our writers hands (if it were ever there in the first place) -cue the Twilight Zone music :look:

Crimson King
December 23rd, 2004, 11:46 PM
Ahhh I finally got the last book! I had been avoiding this thread, as I have yet to read the last one...

I'm on Blue Heaven: Chapter II: The Watcher :D.

Fedic
December 24th, 2004, 06:01 PM
I keep clogging up the Wolf's Rain topic with DT chatter so I'll just say it here. I assume that everyone in here has seen all of Wolf's Rain and finished all the books in the Dark Tower series, but just in case

When Wolf's Rain was getting to the end and the characters started dropping like flys, not peacefull deaths either, it was just like the way it happens in the Dark Tower. I think reguardless of whoever went first, neither Cher nor Hubb would have survived without the other. They had a very Eddie and Suz relationship. The relationship at the beginning between Tsume and Toboe is a lot like Roland and Jake in The Gunslinger. The onset of madness to a character; Roland and Jake because of the paradox Roland created in The Drawing of the Three, Hige from the collar and what was done to him in Jagura's Keep. This madness is overcome in both stories by a reunion; Roland with Jake and the paradox closes, Blue finds Hige and they return to the pack. Roland and Hige both promise to never be bad to their ka tet again. Kiba is just like Roland. It's Paradise for one, The Dark Tower for the other, but the relentless drive to get there is the same. Either of them will do just about anything to get there. They both leave their fallen ka tet behind and keep going. Eddie made me think of how Hubb lost Cher, the sufferenig followed by death. Jake's death and Toboe's death, they made me feel the same way. It was a 'damit I wanted that kid to make it because I love the little guy' moment. I think I felt my heart twist like a rag in my chest. Oy and Tsume both fought till the end. And the only one who makes it to The Dark Tower/Paradise is Roland/Kiba. After finally finding what they have been looking for, they are sent back, not too far back, far enough to maybe make a difference this time, and do it again.

Sledgstone
December 24th, 2004, 07:35 PM
ah, but kiba found rebirth. whereas roland has repetition. until the beams heal as per my theory. :p

btw, did anyone think of storm of the century when roland was sent back to the desert? hell is repetition. over and over again.

Ladywriter
January 10th, 2005, 09:54 AM
Definatly very Robbys mommy

I peeked over at Lija's today and found this. Is it just me, or do you find it amusing too. The guy just cant stop! :haha:


January 5, 2005 Another interesting question (and answer) was recently posted on King's official message board:

Being such a fun of king as I am, I would realy like to know what is he doing now, and I mean, is he writing, working with any movie, miniserie, what?

Response from Moderator: Most recently heís been working again on the project with John Mellencamp that had been put on the back burner while he was doing The Dark Tower, Kingdom Hospital and Faithful. Heís also written a couple of short stories and a novel.

That means he has a the Mellencamp project, new novel, a couple of short stories and maybe a new television show, not bad!
Thanks to Rocky Wood.
http://www.liljas-library.com/LL2005.html

Ladywriter
January 10th, 2005, 10:11 AM
expect delays for the Desperation miniseries -_-;
Dec 10th there was a fire on the set. The biggest losses were incurred by the movie production company, which lost cameras, film, computers and various movie equipment http://www.dailystar.com/dailystar/relatedarticles/52129.php

Fedic
January 10th, 2005, 09:00 PM
I wonder how much film. -_-;

Ladywriter
January 12th, 2005, 08:01 AM
Wolves of the Calla is now out in paperback!
from Lija's page yesterday ...
Very BIG news today. In a message to the message board on King's official site someone asked whether there will be any more books by King and this positive response was given by the Moderator:

Stephen has finished the first draft of a new novel and has decided to publish it, but we donít have a publication date. Itís unlikely it will be this year, though

:happy:

Crimson King
January 25th, 2005, 03:16 AM
Well, I finally finished the book a few days ago (I lost it while moving) and I must say that I'm a little disappointed in the ending.

Even though everybody here has read it, I'll use spoilers anyways:

I was dissappointed most of all by the Crimson King. I never imagined it (as it isn't a man), to be the way it was. "EEEEEEE" and throwing sneetches... he was probably the strongest person in the book, and he was throwing sneetches along with temper tantrums. I guess it's to be expected, as it King was insane, but I kinda expected him to use magic or something...

And also, I was upset about how easily the Wizard was killed by Mordred... here Roland had been chasing him for a good deal of his life (and I personally think Roland is stronger than Moredred... at least in the stage he was in when killed the Wizard), tried a few times at killing him and failed... and here, Mordred deafeats him so easily... it was actually pathetic the way he died.

But despite these things, I'd say it was a damn good book.

Ladywriter
January 25th, 2005, 07:58 AM
the CK/RF

yeah, father christmas and the sneetches was a bit of a suprise :p I liked the swallowing the sharpened spoon bit. RF got taken to the mat pretty harsh too. Poetic justice to make a liar rip out his own tongue.
I think that there was such a build up of the baddies (espically in the 'red herring' Insomnia) that their demise seemed almost shallow. But then again, I think it was ment to be taken that way. The boogyman is really just your coat on a hook in the shadows of your dark room.
;)

Sledgstone
January 25th, 2005, 11:12 PM
i was dissapointed with the way flagg died. i was also dissapointed with the crimson king. i half expected some huge viking looking badass zombie king that would take multiple bullets to go down. of course i also wanted to see him put up a serious battle with flying chunks of castle/large axes and fireballs inside his massive "court" near the top of the dark tower.. but alas.. i got "EEEEEEE" wtf.. X'D

overall i really liked the series tho. the ending was even plausable, but i was still let down with the "final battle"

Crimson King
January 26th, 2005, 08:15 PM
Yeah... I guess I can see your point, Ladywriter. And I agree, the spoon part was pretty cool. But c'mon... Crimson King was THE bad guy, and he really only showed himself at the last few pages of the book. Like Sledgestone said, they could've at least made the battle a little more interesting.

But there were some things I was confused about:

1.) Who the hell is/was Jamie DeCury (something like that)? And, if anybody can remember, what book was his character introduced, for I would go back and read it.


2.) The whole Eyes of the Crimson King thing... how did Eddie know it was going to happen? Was it sort of a precognition? Because if you look back at one of the previous books, Eddie dreamed of going through a door in New York or something like that... and he ended up at Can Ka No Rey. And there, he saw the Crimson King's eyes coming after him. What exactly does this mean?

That's all I can think of for now. If I can think of anything else, I'll be sure to ask here and get some opinions :happy:.

Sledgstone
January 26th, 2005, 11:09 PM
Jamie DeCury was one of roland's friends from back in his youth. its said that he was teamed up with roland, cuthbert and alain for a time. but really, hes just a side character mentioned with a few references. as for me.. i'd like to know who bango skank is. :p that bastard must have some stories to tell.

Fedic
January 28th, 2005, 08:56 PM
Bango is the great unwashed sage and eminent tower junkie :p

After seeing Riding the Bullet; I thought it kept with the feel and the flow of the story. It's hard to do the whole talking to yourself thing his characters do in the story on film. I didn't like how they did Jonsey in Dreamcatcher.
I think if they did Rage like the Bullet, do the switch to b&w when a gun goes off. That would be sweet.

Ladywriter
January 29th, 2005, 11:59 AM
We'll write the script n get Tarantino to direct X'D

Ladywriter
February 17th, 2005, 09:01 AM
http://www.liljas-library.com/images/salem_ltd_1.jpg
check out what Lilja had to say http://www.liljas-library.com/reviewsalemltd.html

The book contains Salemís Lot (of course) but also Jerusalem's Lot and One for the Road (as they are related to the Salemís Lot story) as well as King's introduction from the Pocket Books edition of Salemís Lot. And as if that wasnít enough this book has something unique, it has some extra material. Like on a DVD we here get 50 (yes you heard me; 50) pages of deleted scenes from the original manuscript, which have never before been published.

Ladywriter
February 17th, 2005, 09:07 AM
http://www.stephenking.com/pages/Works/Desperation/movie.php

Pictures from Desperation the movie

Sledgstone
February 24th, 2005, 07:04 AM
i hope this movie turns out good.. the pics look a little promising, but still a bit iffy to me. there are no pics of the location aside from the street sign.. *stares at pic of Cynthia* i wonder if her hair is still two toned. O_o

Ladywriter
February 27th, 2005, 11:41 AM
I hope so, but I wont count on it :(
I wonder how gross they'll get when Tak is about to bust out of his host body

Sledgstone
February 28th, 2005, 10:19 PM
i also wonder if they'll show david carver's christian beliefs. they could easily leave it all out, but it was obviously vital to the overall story.

Ladywriter
March 1st, 2005, 10:01 AM
Oct 2005 the new crime novel The Colorado Kid will be out in mass paperback.
http://www.hardcasecrime.com/books_bios.cgi?title=The%20Colorado%20Kid

On an island off the coast of Maine, a man is found dead. Thereís no identification on the body. Only the dogged work of a pair of local newspapermen and a graduate student in forensics turns up any clues, and itís more than a year before the man is identified.

And thatís just the beginning of the mystery. Because the more they learn about the man and the baffling circumstances of his death, the less they understand. Was it an impossible crime? Or something stranger still...?

Ladywriter
March 1st, 2005, 10:04 AM
Comments on Desperation from Stephen King
I ordinarily donít comment far in advance on films based on my work, especially TV films, but in the case of Desperation I am going to make an exception because my old partner in crime, Mick Garris, has produced an extraordinary piece of work, and the ensemble cast is outstanding. Ron Perlman as Collie Entragian will haunt your dreams. You might want to consider making time in May (tentative) for this one, which is when ABC plans to run it.

One word of warning: this is TV and itís impossible to tell in advance how much of a given piece of work will be cut. The version of Desperation I saw was graphic and very frightening. This may make the network uneasy.

Stephen King
Posted 23 February 2005
http://www.stephenking.com/index_flash.php

Fedic
March 3rd, 2005, 07:09 PM
I am so worked up for this flick! I can't wait for it to come out on dvd

Ladywriter
March 4th, 2005, 03:13 PM
Just a thought...

perhaps from the very beginning Jake knew how Rolands quest would end. Considering how/where Jake ends up at the end of the quest, it gives new weight to Go then. There are other worlds then these.
hmmmmmm........

Sledgstone
March 5th, 2005, 10:01 AM
considering how the dark tower ended, i really hope there will be a talisman 3. maybe one last trip into rolands world and the fate of all worlds.. :\

Ladywriter
March 8th, 2005, 08:48 AM
I'd love a tailsman 3
I would just nap thru the parts Straubb writes :sleep:

Ladywriter
April 4th, 2005, 09:16 AM
NIGHTMARES & DREAMSCAPES: FROM THE STORIES OF STEPHEN KING limited series being executive-produced by Bill Haber (Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow) of Ostar Enterprises
Bill Haber and his Ostar Enterprises are developing this limited series based on the book of short stories by Stephen King. The deal calls for Ostar to develop scripts for eight one-hour episodes. Mick Garris (The Stand, Sleepwalkers) and Mike Robe (News at Eleven, Guts and Glory: The Rise and Fall of Oliver North), Peter Filardi (TNTís Salemís Lot, Flatliners), Larry Cohen (Phone Booth, Cellular), April Smith (The Taking of Pelham One Two Three, Ernie Kovacs: Between the Laughter) and Richard Christian Matheson (Mobius, Dean Koontzís Sole Survivor) have signed to pen scripts for the series. NIGHTMARES & DREAMSCAPES is based on Stephen Kingís 1993 anthology of 20 short stories, whose subjects include murderous revenge, dead rock stars, zombies, an evil toy and a wicked stepfather, to name a few.
http://www.stephenking.com

Ladywriter
April 4th, 2005, 09:17 AM
Despite what you may have read elsewhere, Mick Garris' ABC telemovie version of Stephen Kingís DESPERATION wonít be airing during this Mayís sweeps period. "We donít deliver until June, and ABC has used up their promotional budget for the season, so it ainít going to be pushed for May," Garris tells Fango. "Itís possibly going to be November. Or the following FebruaryÖor May 2006."

http://www.liljas-library.com/desperation.html

Sledgstone
April 5th, 2005, 11:53 PM
hhmm.. i can't wait. ^_^

Fedic
April 30th, 2005, 01:13 PM
I was browsing Lilja's Lib and found out "According to the moderator of King's message board, the option for the animated version of The Eyes of the Dragon (http://www.liljas-library.com/eyes.html) has lapsed."
There goes any hope of a King animated flick -_-;

Ladywriter
April 30th, 2005, 09:02 PM
crud -_-;

Mibu_Kyoshiro
May 1st, 2005, 04:21 AM
Damn. I was kinda looking forward to that too.

Ladywriter
May 1st, 2005, 11:07 AM
Well, maybe now a Japanese co can get the rights to the animation. Better then leaving it in the hands of the europeans :look:

Fedic
May 1st, 2005, 02:12 PM
I don't know if anyone watches 24, but I thought this was funny
http://www.ew.com/ew/article/ commentary/0,6115,1026646_7||472578|0_0_,00.html

Ladywriter
May 2nd, 2005, 01:51 PM
And finally...of course...

14. For One Day a Year, Jack Bauer Will Not Need to Go to the Bathroom for 24 Hours But once those 24 hours are up, I bet he's in there for a long time.




lmao ^_^;

Ladywriter
October 6th, 2005, 11:41 AM
After seeing FFAC I am totaly sold on the idea of a DT mimi series being done in cg.
I'll just keep my fingers crossed >.<


I was driven to post on his official mb :p


Dear Sai King,
The DT sites I frequent all have something to say about the DT series being made into some sort of movie mimi series. Often fans get into rageing arguements on their respective forums about who should play whom. My suggestion is no one.
You're a pretty hip cat right? Kids and grand kids and all. I emplore you to watch the square enix production Final Fantasy Advent Children. The feature film is all cg and it looks amazing, stunning. I strongly belive THIS sureal art form would be perfect for a visual adaptation of the Dark Tower series. CG artists can work directly from Wheelans paintings to create the characters and the world around them.
The bonus to such an adaptation is that you'll never see the guy that played Roland or Eddie hookering himself selling Gold Bond ten years from now in a thirty second spot.
Something as unique and mind bending as the Dark Tower should not be spoiled by putting a famous face to a name for rateings or box office sales.
Long days sai King

Fedic
October 6th, 2005, 02:57 PM
CG artists can work directly from Wheelans paintings to create the characters and the world around them.

The bonus to such an adaptation is that you'll never see the guy that played Roland or Eddie hookering himself selling Gold Bond ten years from now in a thirty second spot.


1st that would be killer. I can picture the Mohaine Desert now.
2nd :rotfl: You speak true I say thankee!

Ladywriter
October 8th, 2005, 12:46 PM
I just really don't wanna see "Eddie Dean" selling viagra 5 years after the DT films are done, ya know?
I don't wanna see the guy who played so-and-so last week on -insert crappy sitcom here- playing Randall Flagg.
The DT should stay as original and unique as possible if they're gonna put it on film.